The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The result was Keep and clean up. In terms of numbers there is a roughly even split between those arguing for deletion and those supporting keeping the content, either as a stand-alone article or merged with another. The arguments in favour of deletion concern a lack of reliable sourcing. A reliable source has been found, with an offer to clean up the article and add further reliable references. I'm therefore persuaded on policy grounds that there is a sufficient consensus to keep the content.
WaggersTALK15:38, 12 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete. I'm not finding anything on this, so it appears to be
WP:NFT stuff. A few games websites mention a game by this name, but as a variant of barbu. So, after this is deleted, redirect this page name to
Barbu (card game)#King or rıfkı, since we already have a section on that. If RS are eventually found for bridge variant named king, then a section can be created at
Contract bridge#King, and a disambiguation hatnote can be used to distinguish them. However, given the enormous amount of material written about bridge, the fact that this alleged variant simply doesn't appear in major game sources pretty much says it all. —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 03:16, 14 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge and redirect to
Barbu (card game)#King or rıfkı. I just did some cleanup work at
Barbu (card game), and it is a trick/contract game, and from the details in both it seems clear this is actually a
WP:CFORK, not a
WP:NFT instance. However, much of the material in the stand-alone page is going to be redundant with the overall gameplay material in the other article, so this is not a "just copy it all into a section" merger. Rather, material that is entirely specific to this variant of barbu should be merged to the king/rıfkı section. There is one source cited, but it's unclear how reliable it is, or whether it provides all the material, so I would leave specifics of the merge up to regulars at
Talk:Barbu (card game) and perhaps also ask
WT:WikiProject Contract bridge and
WT:WikiProject Board and table games for input (I've notified all three talk pages of this discussion). @
Alexandermcnabb:, who !voted in reference to my original post, before I changed my !vote.] —
SMcCandlish☏¢ 😼 05:14, 14 December 2020 (UTC); updated: 05:48, 14 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep and clean up. According to
David Parlett (2008), King is a 3-player, 36-card Russian compendium game uncovered by researcher, Anthony Smith, and goes back to the 1920s. Although some of the contracts are similar, it is not the same as
Barbu which is a 4-player, 52- card, French game. In fact, according to
John McLeod, the French version of King is called Le Jeu du Roi. Also King has nothing to do with whist and is actually a member of the
Hearts family. So the article is a mess: its text is unsourced and the rules are incorrect. If there is eventually a consensus to retain it; I'm happy to clean it up and source it. I'm also happy to remove the section on King at
Barbu (card game) and check the other sections there which are unsourced and look suspect. But I wouldn't merge King to Barbu; they're different games in the same family; a bit like whist and bridge.
Bermicourt (
talk)
08:57, 14 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment. I gave you the reference!
David Parlett's 2008 publication which is entitled The Penguin Book of Card Games. Go look it up on
Google Books! Frankly I don't care what happens to it; I was simply offering to align and source the article to Parlett if the consensus is to keep and clean up.
Bermicourt (
talk)
12:13, 24 December 2020 (UTC)reply
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