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The result was delete. Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 21:26, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
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WP:NOTINHERITED, non-notable entrepreneur. Ari T. Benchaim ( talk) 03:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Businesspeople. Ari T. Benchaim ( talk) 03:13, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- delete nonnotable. Loew Galitz ( talk) 03:27, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Wine, and California. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 06:39, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I can see no notability here. -- Bduke ( talk) 08:40, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
- Keep.
WP:NOTINHERITED is not relevant here, because where did she inherit notability _from_? Are we assuming that in a grandfather/granddaughter pair it must be the man who is notable and the woman riding on the man's coattails? Joseph Phelps doesn't even have his own wikipage. Also, bare assertions of non-notability, with zero explanation for why, are advised against by
WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. Our core standard for whether somebody is deserving enough to be in our database of 6.5 million articles is whether a reasonable number of reliable secondary sources discuss the person. (And as a reminder, we do not require the secondary sources to themselves be notable.) The sources are provided; keep.
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14:48, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Joseph Phelps is pretty notable. Even the article refers to him as a 'wine pioneer'. He has a NYT obituary, the article subject is not mentioned outside fairly marginal media. You're injecting an accusation of sexism to where there is none, all to bolster your support of an article getting downvoted. WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT does not deal with this situation, it deals with cases where the reason for an AfD is disagreement with the subject, not an assertion of non-notability. It's absolutely WP:BADFAITH to even make this accusation.
- Finally, it is for the article to establish its notability, not for an AfD to conclusively prove that it is not notable.
- The article currently has nine references: two wine auctions, two blogs (JetSetting Fashionista and Paul Wharton Style), what looks like a sponsored article in California Date Night (not itself WP:RS), a photographer's page (how that is a reference, I don't know), stuff from facebook, an event page and, finally, Joseph Phelps' obituary. The latter is as WP:RS as they come (it's the NYT), but the rest aren't, and that one is not about the subject. Ari T. Benchaim ( talk) 21:31, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I don't see NOTINHERITED as being particularly relevant here either, but the more significant issue is that Finch doesn't appear to meet the GNG. The NYT article doesn't mention her at all, and the remaining sources are unreliable or non-independent: sites that sell her products, blogs, interviews, Facebook, etc. My search did not identify any significant coverage in independent reliable sources either, so she does not appear to be notable at this time, in my view. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 05:48, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
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