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The result was delete. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:09, 27 January 2017 (UTC) reply

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Suspect that this organisation does not actually exist. Whilst there is plenty of information on its "subsidiaries" (and we have articles on all of them), there seems to be no reliable evidence to suggest that this holding company is a real organisation. The best source available is this Investopedia artilce, which appears to be largely cribbed from the Wikipedia page and was written by a sixteen-year-old contributor. The term is also used, sort of, at this awards page, but here it clear it refers to S.C. Johnson & Sons. The same seems to be true in other instances of the term "Johnson Family Enterprises" online.

See also the comments on the article talkpage by User:Wax86, who claims to represent the company. Whilst Wax86's identity has not been confirmed, I'm inclined to believe them based on my own checks. Yunshui  ^雲 _水 09:32, 12 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Per Yunshui, Wax86's identity has been verified via e-mail per OTRS ticket:2017011210012798. Mike1901 ( talk) 11:09, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Merge Delete with S. C. Johnson & Son per WP:Before. 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 11:26, 13 January 2017 (UTC) 7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 17:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC) reply

My main concern is that the subject, Johnson Family Enterprises, does not exist as it relates to SC Johnson so having a redirect page to the SC Johnson article seems misleading and/or confusing. Wax86 ( talk) 18:31, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply

I also want to make sure I adequately address the question concerning proof. As it was mentioned, I cannot prove a negative but here are some sources that support that the company is family-owned and operated as an independent company:

David Barboza (August 22, 1999) “At Johnson Wax, A Family Passes On Its Heirloom; Father Divides a Business To Keep the Children United”. The New York Times.

Del Jones (December 4, 2002) “Johnson family legacy finds layers of love, loss: 5th generation taking reins at $7B company”. USA Today

CBS News (October 16, 2016) “A family history at SC Johnson”. CBS Sunday Morning

Ellen Byron (March 10, 2016) “How Fisk Johnson Works to Keep the Shine on Family Business”. The Wall Street Journal.

Casillas, Jose C., Francisco J Acedo and Ana M. Moreno. International Entrepreneurship in Family Businesses. Northampton, MA: Edward Elgar Publishing, 2008. (pp. 279-286) Wax86 ( talk) 21:55, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete Given the lack of sources to support the content it seems a likely hoax. If not, the lack of coverage by independent reliable sources means it fails general notability and WP:ORG. Gab4gab ( talk) 22:17, 13 January 2017 (UTC) reply
  • Well it is not a hoax. In 2006 (the year I became a wikipedian and the year I created this article) I do not recall what source made me feel that this was a valid subject for an international encyclopedia.-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:02, 14 January 2017 (UTC) reply

I was quite surprised when I realised you were the original author. Just to be clear, I don't for a moment think this was a deliberately fabricated article; merely that it seems to have been created by mistake. No accusation of impropriety intended. Yunshui  ^雲 _水 18:27, 15 January 2017 (UTC) reply

I apologize for my indelicate use of the term hoax. Gab4gab ( talk) 18:48, 16 January 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete I am SC Johnson's archivist and historian and an established authority on the company's history. I feel deletion is the only course of action given the lack of reliable sources that provide verifiability ( WP:V) of the existence of Johnson Family Enterprises as well as support its notability. ( WP:GNG, WP:ORG) Wax86 ( talk) 14:47, 19 January 2017 (UTC) Wax86 ( talk) 21:52, 20 January 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete The article provides no evidence that such a company exists, and Google finds very little. There is this page, but it appears neither independent not reliable. Maproom ( talk) 17:10, 20 January 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete - the very nature of a family business holding company precludes the existence of reliable sources that discuss it in detail. Being privately held grants privacy. John from Idegon ( talk) 23:57, 20 January 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete no source material. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 22:59, 21 January 2017 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.