- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 09:46, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
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Still not sufficiently notable to meet WP:BIO SmartSE ( talk) 16:58, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost ( talk) 17:30, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ghana-related deletion discussions. MarginalCost ( talk) 17:30, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete - based on original nom. (Not sure why it was kept after that) - theWOLFchild 23:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
- It wasn't kept after that, it got recreated as a new article three days ago. Bearcat ( talk) 04:47, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Nothing here is a stronger notability claim than the first go-around, and none of the referencing represents reliable sourcing that would get him over WP:GNG. I'm especially mystified by the citation to Google Maps, because having your business or foundation listed on Google Maps is not a claim of notability in and of itself: Google Maps data is user-generated, can be submitted by absolutely anybody including John Vinzelts himself, and can be wrong — and at any rate, the link being given as a reference took me to the Plateau-Mile End neighbourhood in Montreal, not to anything in Ghana, so I've had to strip it. Nothing here — especially not Fairmount Bagel on rue Saint-Urbain in Montreal, but not anything else here either — is credible or properly sourced evidence of the subject's notability. Bearcat ( talk) 04:47, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
- Keep
After reading http://www.un.org/en/ethics/pdf/putting_ethics_to_work_en.pdf on how the Code of conducts and Ethics work within the UN system, I have realized that, UN Officials are Non-Partisan Politicians whose works credits and awards are not honored to themselves but to the United Nations organization instead. Examining my broad research and studies on John Vinzelts, I best understood why upon all his mega events and extensive works, activities and projects in Ghana, no recognition by the media has been credited to him on the internet to provide more compelling and evidential links to support article notability on Wikipedia, which must have been a result of lack of Media during his Events and campaigns, nevertheless, that doesn’t mean he is not Notable for a historic Article on Wikipedia. I understand Wikipedia is not a place for advertisement and promotion but imperatively an educational centered portal for documentation of facts and Historical details. We must accept the fact that, the subject is an emerging Figure and a Leading Young Leader who is highly climbing among the millions of Youth Leaders in Africa, especially in his country Ghana, thus, educational studies of his history cannot be ignored since Article about him could be improved and expanded as days go by and in the future, in as much as his tremendous works and impact are still speaking and transforming many young generation in Africa.
I have also read so much information from several United Nations Pages on Facebook and other social media and I understood then forth that, he is not just the country head of UN Youth Ghana, but the Founder, and also a Founding figure of the same organizations in several countries in Africa, also on another position in the Seychelles country as an Advisory Board member. In fact deleting this article will only do no good, lest for educational studies purposes and for historic references. With humility and respect for the the Wikipedia community, please Let’s consider some factual consideration of vital points to hold on on the deletion target until further provisions and additional press sources and media links are added to the articles, now and in the future days, since the works and activities of the subject is still calling for an Article. As I revised the previous deletion debates that had happened in some years back on the Subject's first Article that was similarly written, I have realized that, the writer might have heard of his historical presence got it educationally and historically interested and had more popular informations on his works, but unfortunately could not found any concrete or supportive press sources to support his Article, for that matter, the first Article was deleted.
On trying to know why the same Article I have found notable is facing the same notability problems, I have come out with another interesting found-outs that, the UN Officials respect the ethics and code of conducts enough regarding to where conflict of interest occurs on their private popularity interests interfere—or appear to interfere—with the interests of the UN.
The officials base their focus, attentions and decisions solely towards the UN Works on the importance of UN’s needs, projects, activities, and humanitarian works focused, focusing their attention on selfless projects execution that avoid self appraisals interest that calls for personal compliments, and work delivery rather than intentionally seeking the media houses and Paparazies to cover stories about them during their events and being publish to get Fame and popularity on the internet for references that may benefits trusted source link for Wikipedia. The Subject is known to be a UN Youth Representative for his Country as a Top-Official who we know, will factually deal samely with third parties in ways that avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest between his popularity interest and those of the UN. These UN Diplomats unlike other Politicians,always expected to prevent Fame so that they can provide their loyalty to the United Nations organization instead of themselves.
As my first Article and as a writer for in this Wikipedia community, I have come far days and months conducting extensive research on this same subject who was once deleted as a work that could have been improved upon. I have all this times follow Guidelines and every necessary Wikipedia's requirements, for this work. This article could be saved for further improvement and expansion but not to be deleted. I strongly believe that somedays this same Article shall be re- written again by another writer who may found the same subject notable just as many of us have wasted all our efforts today to save, considering it as educational and historical stand out article. The question may not only be on how many times should this article be re-written and be deleted? should it continuously be Thousand times or million times wasting millions of Writers times until it’s finally accepted, instead of been saved one time and invites more hands of writers to improve it for further expansions. Thank You ( Strongbolt66 ( talk) 12:20, 3 April 2018 (UTC))
- Notability, for Wikipedia purposes, is not established by what an article says — it's established by how much reliable source coverage in media the person received for doing what the article says they did. A person can get into Wikipedia for winning a tiddlywinks competition, if they got enough media coverage to clear GNG for it, and a person can claim to be the king of the entire world and not get a Wikipedia article if the media didn't take him seriously. It's the amount of media coverage they got, not what the article says, that determines whether a person is notable or not. Bearcat ( talk) 12:50, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
- The Subject John Vinzelts though not having enough media coverage on the internet, is a well defined and a known Figure in the Ghanaian society, and I have personally provided few authentic and reliable sources that is a bit enough to be considered reliable sources, helping to keep improving this article until other media coverages sources are added in the future since he is still making mega progress in promoting Charity Works, Youth activism Projects and Peace advocacy campaign now and in the future. So my ultimate reasoning and concerns here is, I don't really care if you decide to delete this Article that i think could be improve upon, but did i understand from your point that Wikipedia may allow multiple and dozens media coverage and online publications even if fake news but once it's found online or on third party sites online based it is known as reliable sources?, or you don't really care if people paying Media houses to cover untrue stories about people, but will be much acceptable and appreciated than genuine Article on historic people whom future generations and students deserve to read about? are we really encouraging the right thing here to be done? well i arrest my case here, feel free and delete this Article if you think that is the proper way of verifying Article Sources, Even for UN Figures whose facts are needed to be kept as educational documentation for study purposes. Thanks anyway for educating me on more information here about Wikipedia reliable sources.( Strongbolt66 ( talk) 15:21, 3 April 2018 (UTC))
In my humble opinion however, if we keep ignoring and deleting even genuine articles, what is going to happen is that, you next see people paying off for media coverage without getting nothing done in the society if that is what we want to encourage to be historically recorded in articles. I stand to be corrected as you forgive my immature thoughts on this, or lest i sound offensive to the Wikipedia community, i'm just curious to understand and encourage the works of United Nations and Its people who sacrifice their lives for humanity, unlike many famous people who are only making noise for their names to be recognized in the society and indeed as i begin to think of already. I really want us to re-consider the fact on things to be done in a generous perspective with my humility to accept your contributions and suggestions in anyway or level you take this debate to, within your own judgement, faith and conviction. Thanks so much ( Strongbolt66 ( talk) 15:50, 3 April 2018 (UTC))
- Procedural note I've blocked Strongbolt66 as a sock of DANIEL OBUOBI. A review of this SPI archive leaves little doubt. The article could feasibly be speedied.-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 23:10, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, fails GNG for stand alone independent article and may need salt added given the article was "recreated as a new article three days ago". Kierzek ( talk) 18:49, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, as per arguments Lyndaship ( talk) 10:45, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
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