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The result was delete. Redirects at editorial discretion and with consideration of the point raised by Enos733 Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk, contributions) 08:28, 7 August 2019 (UTC) reply

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WP:BLP of a person notable only as an as yet non-winning candidate in a future election. As always, this does not pass WP:NPOL -- people get Wikipedia articles by winning the election and thereby holding office, not by being candidates in elections they have not yet won. But this does not make any credible case that he already had preexisting notability for other reasons, and does not cite nearly enough reliable source coverage to make him a special case of significantly greater notability than most other candidates. No prejudice against recreation in November 2020 if he wins the seat, but nothing here is a reason why he would already get a Wikipedia article today. Bearcat ( talk) 04:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 04:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Montana-related deletion discussions. Bearcat ( talk) 04:44, 31 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the links and the lightening fast review. I'm shocked, a little sad, and confused. I noticed that notability is not temporary. I read Wikipedia:Notability, WP:NPF, and WP:BLP... I think I understand. However, I feel that my Wikipedia article is still valid. Please try to understand my thoughts/feelings on this. I came across this: "On the other hand, if an event is of sufficient importance, even relatively minor participants may require their own articles, for example, Howard Brennan, a witness to the JFK assassination." ^[1]. I know the election of a US Senator is not as important as the assassination of a US president. However, being a key witness in a parade... even if the President was shot, is not as interesting to the public as being a potential US Senator. I felt a need for this page because I live in Montana and I noticed that I wasn't able to fairly compare potential US Senators on Wikipedia. I also thought that it might be unfair or even bias against candidates who were not already small-time politicians. The lack of exposure to diversity could hurt my democracy. In essence I was worried people would not view both candidates because only one had a page(he's a mayor). So I made a page for the second candidate.

As you may know, the United States only has 100 Senators and I was shocked that being one of the two opposing candidates didn't warrant enough notability. It certainty should warrant enough interest.

Just for fun, though it doesn't prove anything, I thought you might want to look at this article. John Mues, since his candidacy is more popular with the world than Howard Brennan. Perhaps there is a fair middle ground we can reach?

Additionally WP:NPF seems relevant.

I can find well over a dozen news articles which solely reference John Mues. Did I just need to cite him more? Saintmeh ( talk) 06:45, 31 July 2019 (UTC) reply

• Delete Fails WP:POLITICIAN as an unelected candidate. The coverage in Montana newspapers is routine and expected. The proper place to cover this person is in an article about Montana's 2020 US Senate race, where all candidates can be given neutral coverage. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC) reply

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz ( talk) 08:09, 31 July 2019 (UTC) reply

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• Delete The subject has to be notable outside of their Senate run, which Mues is not, unless the candidate has received an abnormal amount of national coverage. Secondly, Wikipedia is not a place to educate voters about candidates in their elections. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 11:36, 31 July 2019 (UTC) reply
• Redirect to 2020 United States Senate election in Montana (plausible search term, redirects are cheap). Fails WP:NPOL (and unlikely to pass in 2020 - he has to pass the democratic primary (a few different contenders) and then unseat a sitting republican senator in a deep red state (+20 for Trump in 2016)). Looking at coverage prior to 2019 - I wasn't able to find much of anything about our subject. Icewhiz ( talk) 11:27, 1 August 2019 (UTC) reply
• Delete I am ok with a redirect, but at this moment, the subject fails WP:NPOL (per Bearcat and Cullen328) and a redirect feels premature at this point as we do not know if the subject will even be the Democratic party nominee in 2020. -- Enos733 ( talk) 16:40, 1 August 2019 (UTC) reply
• Comment I'm in agreement with Enos733. We should wait until after the primary before applying a redirect, Mues could very well drop out before then also. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 17:14, 1 August 2019 (UTC) reply
• Comment - I would not object to a redirect. COI alert: I have supported his candidacy as a volunteer on social media. Bearian ( talk) 23:17, 1 August 2019 (UTC) reply
• Delete but no objection to redirecting to 2020 United States Senate election in Montana. How many times do we have to go through this? WP:NPOL says a politician has to get elected before they qualify for an article. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 07:11, 2 August 2019 (UTC) reply
• Delete Fails WP:NPOL. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 12:21, 4 August 2019 (UTC) reply

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