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The result was delete‎. –  Joe ( talk) 17:19, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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Fails WP: N. The sourcing on the article is almost entirely primary, and what secondary sources do exist are either not independent or do not cover the subject in depth. I also couldn't find any sources to establish notability either, unfortunately. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 15:29, 11 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Video games, and California. Shellwood ( talk) 15:46, 11 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Artists, and Authors. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Weak delete. There are a lot of almost but not quite bits here. I found this on the academic deletion sorting list but he appears not to be primarily an academic and although he has one workshop publication with triple-digit citations [1] the rest do not give him a strong enough citation record for WP:PROF#C1. He has one book, Virtual Body Language, for which I didn't find any reviews; I would need multiple reviews of multiple books to consider notability through WP:AUTHOR. The article as nominated contains no WP:GNG-passing sources. The best I found in my searches was [2], a local newspaper story from 2015 about a startup he founded with some depth of coverage of Ventrella himself. I did also find one group work in MoMA that he contributed to, not enough by itself for WP:ARTIST. We could consider a redirect, if we had a viable redirect target, but neither There (virtual world) nor Gene Pool (software) currently look viable to me. — David Eppstein ( talk) 20:19, 11 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: The AfD from 2007 actually got it (mostly) right, there was no coverage about the individual despite hundreds of hits... In the almost 20 yrs since, I can only find primary sourcing or a few social media sites. Source 21 in the article is the only RS, the rest aren't anything we'd use to build an article with. Oaktree b ( talk) 22:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Delete. Fails WP:GNG. As per the nominator, the article is almost entirely primary references. After a (fairly thorough, I'd say) search, I'm able to find very little published in reliable secondary sources. GhostOfNoMeme 09:35, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Keep. While this page Fails [[WP:GNG], Jeffrey Ventrella is a renowned researcher and artist in both the Artificial Life and Virtual Worlds fields. As the conference organizer of the first and second International Conference on Virtual Worlds, I have invited him to present his works as invited lectures and keynotes. I recommend to keep his profile, but ask for modifications in order to add reliable secondary sources. Jean-Claude Heudin ( talk) 10:49, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  I've been invited to speak at international conferences too, but none of them were prestigious enough to count towards WP:NPROF. In order for your conference invitations to meet the standards we have, we would need to know that the ICVW is itself a well-covered and important conference. Since it's very new that might be hard to establish, but if you can provide some links to coverage of the ICVWs he appeared at that appeared in reliable, primary, independent news sources, that might help. Qflib ( talk) 13:57, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  "While this page Fails [[WP:GNG]" -- that's all I needed to hear. Thanks for disclosing your conflict of interest too. HyperAccelerated ( talk) 16:20, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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