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Comment - I am also nominating the following related page because it is also closely related to the discussion about articles being created on the sole basis that laying in honor at the Capitol is cause for notability:
Merge both to
1998 United States Capitol shooting — Now that we're discussing this, and potentially overturning the 2007 AfD, I agree that the articles for both Chestnut and Gibson should be merged. All of the pertinent information can be included in
1998 United States Capitol shooting, and there are no
WP:LENGTH concerns for this article. I should point out that
WP:BLP1E does not apply because Chestnut and Gibson died a long time ago, so
WP:BIO1E is the more applicable policy. Per WP:BIO1E, The general rule is to cover the event, not the person. Also see
WP:VICTIM, which states, A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person. And, while
Brian Sicknick is not nominated here for deletion, I anticipate that it may be discussed. This matter is distinguishable from Sicknick because
2021 storming of the United States Capitol was such a complex event, and Sicknick's homicide investigation remains ongoing. Sicknick's article should remain separate, per
WP:LENGTH.
Edge3 (
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01:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge to '98 shooting article. They are both known as a result of the one even that caused their deaths and the resulting laying in honor. Between both articles there really isn't even much to even merge. Shooting incident and some of Legacy/Honors are already included in main article. The brief bios on both subjects is also contained in shooting article, with a bit more info actually there. For instance Gibson favorite team being Red Sox and them having a moment of silence isn't even in Gibson's article but is in shooting's.
WikiVirusC(talk)02:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge and redirect per
WP:BLP1E - these are clear cut cases, and unfortunately, some people have this idea that there is some notability guideline other than
WP:GNG - per
WP:SUSTAINED, Brief bursts of news coverage may not sufficiently demonstrate notability and If reliable sources cover a person only in the context of a single event, and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, a low-profile individual, we should generally avoid having a biographical article on that individual. Even a subject notability guideline which presumes notability does not trump BLP1E and GNG. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (
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02:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Kind of. BLP1E still applies to Brian Sicknick (as he is recently deceased), you're correct that BIO1E is the more appropriate guidance for the two being considered here. That being said, they're basically two methods of getting to the same conclusion - people notable only for bursts of coverage from their participation/involvement in one event are generally not meriting standalone articles. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (
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17:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment. If this is a double nomination (and it appears to be because both AFD notices on both pages redirect to this page), I would suggest making this clearer to people by including the link to the 2nd article at the top of this AFD using the {{la}} and {{Find sources AFD}} templates. –
Novem Linguae (
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20:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Bearian, you may wish to note that even SIGCOV states that it is a "presumption" of notability, and that BIO1E trumps that by being more specific. Furthermore, suggesting that we keep an article primarily because of "unconscious bias" (without even saying what that bias is towards/against) reeks of
attempting to use Wikipedia to prove a point. -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (
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03:28, 19 April 2021 (UTC)reply
What bias? Care to elaborate? Either way, bias has nothing to do with this. I've already cited a couple of substantial Wikipedia policies.
Love of Corey (
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07:55, 20 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete his death doesn't appear to have any significance seeing as it appears to have just been a random shooting. Even if his death was notable, BIO1E would apply. Kind regards,
Willbb234Talk (please {{
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17:32, 19 April 2021 (UTC)reply
In case this particular editor's participation is questioned, I just want to disclose that I
encouraged Yousef Raz to participate in this AFD. Shortly after my comment,
WWGB raised a
WP:Canvassing concern, which is currently viewable
on my talk page along with my response. If WWGB or anyone else has any questions on why I encouraged Yousef Raz to participate in this discussion, I'd be happy to answer them.
Edge3 (
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04:40, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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