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The result was keep per sources identified. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 20:24, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
Jürgen L. Born
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does not pass notability requirements Medarduss ( talk) 16:47, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Needs someone to evaluate the references on the German article. - Indefensible ( talk) 17:21, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and Germany. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:34, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Definitely unnotable, no widespread coverage at all besides his own personal pages. May be self-promotional. GuardianH ( talk) 18:49, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep there is a large amount of coverage (lots of negative coverage, some standard media interviews) but might fall under
WP:BLP1E as outside of interviews it's all about one scandal afaict. eg.
[1]
[2]. However, the subject had an interview as recently as
[3] 2020. As such they would not meet BLP1E, hence my lean towards keep. —
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22:44, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
- The de:Jürgen Born article has some sources as well, and is much more in-depth.. — siro χ o 23:11, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CLYDE TALK TO ME/ STUFF DONE (I will not see your reply if you don't mention me) 18:34, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: As suggested by
Indefensible, I've taken a look at the sources in the German article. Note that in what follows, I'm also including sources I found during my research that are not in the German article.
This article in Welt is definitely in-depth coverage, and it's quite a reputable publication. I would also say that this is coverage of Born more so than the scandal itself.
This article on the Werder Bremen scandal covers Born quite in-depth as well.
This is pretty good biographical coverage of Born, another GNG source.
This is some further reporting on the scandal and Born.
This is an article in the Spiegel from when Born assumed his position at Werder Bremen (1999), and
this article is more coverage of him long after the scandal. All together, there's more than enough here to fulfill the notability requirements of
WP:GNG and
WP:NBASIC, and a pretty good article could be written from this information. For future reference:
This is a timeline of the corruption scandal, which might be useful if the article is not deleted.
Actualcpscm (
talk)
19:37, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
- Pinging @ GuardianH as a lot of good sources have been found. Actualcpscm ( talk) 20:23, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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