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The result was no consensus. Nakon 01:25, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
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Non-notable mayor. Requests for information on notability, extra information, and citations reverted. Jerod Lycett ( talk) 15:40, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Comment. The first few Google results and the first few Google News results between them appear to show quite a bit of significant coverage in reliable sources.
User:Jerodlycett - why do you not feel that the subject is notable given this coverage? --
Michig (
talk) 15:52, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- If there are any, none are in the article. Looking at Google News I see a few all about the story that he supports the marbles being returned. The rest are not
WP:RS in the first 80 results. Some of the Greek results may be able to give him
WP:N on the Greek wiki, but this is not the Greek wiki. I don't see any other significant coverage.
Jerod Lycett (
talk) 16:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Greek sources are as good as sources from any country or in any language. If he's notable anywhere, he's notable. Why do you see Protothema.gr (for which there are several GNews results) as not reliable? It appears to be a Greek newspaper. --
Michig (
talk) 16:10, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- It would appear we're getting different results. As for the language, I assumed I was on the English Wikipedia, and therefore the subjects should be notable to English speaking citizens. Most of the resources I'm seeing are about his election. That would be public announcements, which are not considered significant coverage. I also tried (and failed) to find the correct page on the Greek Wikipedia, hoping that maybe it could be expanded from there. If you could do so maybe once translated there will be something notable. Jerod Lycett ( talk) 22:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Greek sources are as good as sources from any country or in any language. If he's notable anywhere, he's notable. Why do you see Protothema.gr (for which there are several GNews results) as not reliable? It appears to be a Greek newspaper. --
Michig (
talk) 16:10, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- If there are any, none are in the article. Looking at Google News I see a few all about the story that he supports the marbles being returned. The rest are not
WP:RS in the first 80 results. Some of the Greek results may be able to give him
WP:N on the Greek wiki, but this is not the Greek wiki. I don't see any other significant coverage.
Jerod Lycett (
talk) 16:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Delete as subject doesn't appear to meet GNG; article appears to be bloated with nothing that is truly noteworthy. Moreover, the article is full of unreliable and primary sources - most of the references that have been added recently both. The article is a waste of space and mainly a puff piece that's below Wikipedia standards. More appropriate for the Greek Wikipedia, in my opinion. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:15, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Strong Keep This article subject has received significant coverage over numerous sources and clearly meets
WP:GNG and has established notability. Please note sources in other languages beside English are acceptable to establish notability
WP:N.
WordSeventeen (
talk) 16:17, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- I don't see that anywhere. As I state above, I assume that the English Wikipedia show have content notable to English speakers. Jerod Lycett ( talk) 22:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Sources don't have to be in English to establish Notability. However Citations to non-English sources are allowed. You may want to read this. Wikic¤l¤gy t@lk to M£ 14:48, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- Keep the page I added 15 reliable links to different Greek and English-language Media, including the link to official website of Marathon Municipality in the list of references. The person is notable and well known in Greece and there are lots of confirmation thereto. Google search for Greeklish version of the name (Ηλίας Ψινάκης), as well as for English version of the name (Ilias Psinakis) provides the relevant content and reliable sources of information, sevelral of which are clearly specified in the article. LanaSimba ( talk) 20:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- LanaSimba: Some of the references you added are not reliable for Wikipedia purposes. Further, you removed a template that clearly says "this notice must not be removed, until the discussion is closed". The article is a mess, uses poor grammar, and has lousy references. None of the additions you made make it a better article, nor is it appropriate to remove the AfD template. Please do not remove it again. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:57, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Winkelvi|WV, You just express your personal opinion about the article, which opinion may be whatever, this is your own business, but only if you don't like the article it doesn't mean it should be deleted. As for links, you also give personal assesment to the issue, considering them unreliable, although those materials publicly provided online and never were claimed by anyone in Greece or abroad. I brought many links from different sources, I added one more link, in English, from enough reliable bilingual website http://www.grreporter.info/, which confirms almost all the information and names provided in this article, and finally I gave back the link to facebook page, cause it is not just a link to someone's personal point of view, but a link to real article published in printed Greek media (i.e. Life&Style Magazine 2007) directly specified by the link, which was reposted on Facebook with all references to authorship. Unfortunately facebook link is the only online source of this article in Greek. As for template: I don't know why the AfD notice was removed, may be during editings. Now it seems posted. I am not so good in Wikipedia advanced editing etc. I posted the article for informational purposes only. LanaSimba ( talk) 23:09, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
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LanaSimba My opinion about the sources as well as the article itself is based solely on Wikipedia policies in regard to
biographies of living persons,
the manual of style and
|references/sourcing. Sources you added are not reliable by Wikipedia standards and too much of the content in the article is not referenced. Much of what is included in the article is not encyclopedic in nature. When you remove the content not properly sourced and what's not encyclopedic, there isn't much left of the article at all. I maintain that this article is truly not worth the space. The article subject might be more suited for the Greek Wikipedia. --
WV ●
✉
✓ 23:31, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
- Winkelvi, the online sources provided here are also provided in other articles about Greek personalities, and never were claimed anyhow. All facts in the article are substantiated by links,
verifiability is complied with. You judge the content and sources in terms of language, which you personally do not understand. Please, check some comments above, from people who do understand Greek and confirm reliability of sources etc.. Other verifiable and reliable sources, provided in English and have the similar contents with the Greek sources. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
LanaSimba (
talk •
contribs) 00:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- LanaSimba, don't be so quick to assume I am unable to read the sources. I stand by my comments above. Please read the article WP:RELIABLE to have a better understanding of what is an acceptable, reliable source by Wikipedia standards for BLPs and how important they are in articles such as this. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:20, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Newspaper and magazine blogs, i.e websites are considered quite reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LanaSimba ( talk • contribs) 01:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Winkelvi, the online sources provided here are also provided in other articles about Greek personalities, and never were claimed anyhow. All facts in the article are substantiated by links,
verifiability is complied with. You judge the content and sources in terms of language, which you personally do not understand. Please, check some comments above, from people who do understand Greek and confirm reliability of sources etc.. Other verifiable and reliable sources, provided in English and have the similar contents with the Greek sources. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
LanaSimba (
talk •
contribs) 00:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
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LanaSimba My opinion about the sources as well as the article itself is based solely on Wikipedia policies in regard to
biographies of living persons,
the manual of style and
|references/sourcing. Sources you added are not reliable by Wikipedia standards and too much of the content in the article is not referenced. Much of what is included in the article is not encyclopedic in nature. When you remove the content not properly sourced and what's not encyclopedic, there isn't much left of the article at all. I maintain that this article is truly not worth the space. The article subject might be more suited for the Greek Wikipedia. --
WV ●
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✓ 23:31, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
I brought all the possible statements, links and references confirming the information, if some users or admins consider them unreliable or insufficient, I can't help, I just wonder why all the same informational sources are provided as references in other pages about Greek personalities and these are OK ... All this is very personal attitude to articles and authors and sources. Who will decide and how will determine criteria for pages existence? And how can do it people, knowing nothing about subject to decide, and to point their view publicly. . LanaSimba ( talk) 20:46, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- I questioned if they were a reliable source. If they aren't, they will be removed from the other pages too. Jerod Lycett ( talk) 21:37, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
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- Delete as per Winklevi. fails WP:GNG Flat Out let's discuss it 03:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- Keep:- subject of the article meet WP:GNG per significant coverages in multiple reliable sources. The fact that sources are not in English does not make a subject non-notable. Wikic¤l¤gy t@lk to M£ 14:48, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
- Keep - enough sources present. I suspect the difficulty in finding more sources is because of the language barrier as the subject is the mayor of a historic town with 30,000+ inhabitants. To those referring to a Greek or English Wikipedia, please note there is no such thing. There are English-language and Greek-language Wikipedias for people fluent in those languages, no matter what country they're in. A subject only notable in Greece will still get an article on the English-language Wikipedia. -- NeilN talk to me 19:26, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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