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The result was delete based on concerns regarding the reliability of sourcing. Sjakkalle (Check!) 17:53, 17 January 2014 (UTC) reply

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Poorly sourced biography. The subject's claim to fame seems to be his past position as Registrar of the Supreme Court of Pakistan. A Google search turns up several other Hidayat Hussain's of varying notability. The article fails WP:BIO. - Mr X 12:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. - Mr X 12:29, 3 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 17:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 17:58, 3 January 2014 (UTC) reply

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• Keep. Appears to have held several very senior positions in the Pakistani civil service. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 18:43, 3 January 2014 (UTC) reply
• Delete. Insufficient sources. Xxanthippe ( talk) 21:42, 3 January 2014 (UTC). reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein  20:19, 11 January 2014 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero | My Talk 06:48, 15 January 2014 (UTC) reply

I'm not sure why we need a relist after just 4 days... this is the second one of these I've come across recently, but I'll leave this one alone as I'm WP:INVOLVED in the discussion. -- Trevj ( talk · contribs) 07:46, 17 January 2014 (UTC) reply

• Delete Nobody seems to be able to come up with sources, so fails WP:GNG and even WP:V. -- Randykitty ( talk) 10:02, 15 January 2014 (UTC) reply
• Weak Delete, an editor above has opined that this person "appears" to have held senior positions. Unfortunately, we cannot verify this due to lack of reliable sources. It is possible that additional sources exist in Urdu which I cannot find, if such sources are found please disregard this !vote. Lankiveil ^{( speak to me)} 12:28, 15 January 2014 (UTC). reply
• Am I the only person here who bothers to comply with WP:BEFORE? You do not !vote to delete something unless you have looked for sources. Hidayat Hussain, Registrar of the Supreme Court of Pakistan: Annual Report of the Supreme Court of Pakistan, 2003, p 144. Hidayat Hussain, Joint Secretary in the Ministry of Law: World of Islam Today, a report of the National Institute of Historical & Cultural Research, 1981, p 54. He (assuming it is the same person) might satisfy WP:POLITICIAN, on either account, as a politician or judge, depending on what "national office" means. James500 ( talk) 16:50, 15 January 2014 (UTC) reply
• Weak keep Delete It could be the case that the subject is notable, but the sources on which to base such an article are elusive. With current material being insufficient, we unfortunately don't have much on which to base the article. Therefore, the current content needs paring down in order to satisfy WP:V. -- Trevj ( talk · contribs) 06:45, 16 January 2014 (UTC) reply

  Revising this to delete because it's unclear who the subject is or whether sources relate to the same subject, e.g. economic-review.com.pk has an article by "Hidayat Hussain is the Head of the Economic Services/ Business Suppport Office of the Pakistan France Business Alliance (PFBA)" published on 02 October 2013, which is after the death date claimed in the current article. -- Trevj ( talk · contribs) 07:46, 17 January 2014 (UTC) reply

• Delete - the state it's in, we cannot possibly keep a BLP like that. Strongly support recreating with proper sourcing though. I nearly actually closed this as "Delete but anyone is welcome to recreate an article with sources, but we cannot leave an unsourced BLP sitting there like this", but I realised that no-one had said that so I wasn't really evaluating consensus by doing so! :) Daniel ( talk) 09:52, 16 January 2014 (UTC) reply

  And the subject (according to what seems to be WP:OR in the current article) is apparently deceased anyway! -- Trevj ( talk · contribs) 07:46, 17 January 2014 (UTC) reply

  BLP's of those recently deceased still affect the living relatives and friends of the individual. I believe this exact point is included in the policy. Daniel ( talk) 08:34, 17 January 2014 (UTC) reply

  You're correct about what WP:BDP says, but no contentious or questionable material with implications for others seems to be included in this case. (Sorry for the digression.) -- Trevj ( talk · contribs) 10:42, 17 January 2014 (UTC) reply

• Delete - When veriable assertions are made about the biographical content this article (as the subject is no longer living) we can keep. Writings by the subject in their role as a clerk for the court does not encourage me to think this is notable. Hasteur ( talk) 20:00, 16 January 2014 (UTC) reply

It is not clear to me that the 2003 annual report of the Supreme Court of Pakistan was written by Hidayat Hussain. What it contains is a list of former registrars with their dates of appointmentand retirement which includes a person called "Hidayat Hussain". There is no question of suggesting that the Supreme Court do not know who their registrar was or that the report isn't sufficient confirmation. Another list of chief judges, judges and registrars was published by the government in 2010. These documents are available in pdf and come up in Google searches. Whether a registrar of the Supreme Court of Pakistan is thereby ipso facto notable depends on how you construe WP:POLITICIAN, which unfortunately is not written in language that makes intelligible sense. James500 ( talk) 15:13, 17 January 2014 (UTC) reply

• delete being Registrar of the Supreme Court of Pakistan does not grant automatic notability. There is simply a lack of third party sources about this individual. LibStar ( talk) 15:37, 17 January 2014 (UTC) reply
  • That's not the post that makes him notable. It's being secretary of four different government ministries. But I agree the lack of sourcing is a concern. Sadly rather common on articles about people from outside Western Europe, North America and Australasia, however. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:47, 17 January 2014 (UTC) reply
• (edit conflict) I agree with comments above to the effect that, due to inadequate sourcing, this article should, as it stands, be blown up, whether its subject (or subjects) is (or are) notable or not. James500 ( talk) 15:54, 17 January 2014 (UTC) reply

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