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The result was keep. Vanamonde ( Talk) 23:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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The subject of this article doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. The only acceptable sources are both obituaries, and the rest are FindAGrave, NASA themselves, or Wikipedia (obviously not allowed). Hoover also doesn't appear to meet WP:ANYBIO - I doubt the Octave Chanute Award is prestigious enough for that. ThadeusOfNazereth Talk to Me! 23:28, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
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Subject of article is significant because he was first civilian person in the history of the world to break the sound barrier, the second human being to do so. The Octave Chanute Award /info/en/?search=Octave_Chanute_Award, delivered by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, Inc. (AIAA), has been awarded to only 57 recipients since 1939, the most recent being in 2019. It is intended for pilots of test personnel that contributed to the advancement of the art, science, or technology of aeronautics.
Subject of article appears in other sources, including https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/from-naca-to-nasa-blessed-from-birth/5/, https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/breaking-the-sound-barrier-an-aviation-turning-point/15/, http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0267.shtml, https://www.space.com/22220-x-1-2-with-pilots-robert-champine-herb-hoover.html, https://www.largescaleplanes.com/articles/article.php?aid=177. Superscotchsonic ( talk) 12:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Other newspaper articles centering on subject: "Famous Civilian Air Research Expert Killed in B-45 Crash" https://www.newspapers.com/image/8498413/?, terms=herb%20hoover%20naca&match=1, "Flying Scientists Unsung Heroes in Nation's Defense" https://www.newspapers.com/image/6635782/?terms=herb%20hoover%20naca&match=1, "First Bail-Out in 17 Years Fatal to Famous Test Pilot" https://www.newspapers.com/image/760940690/?terms=%22herbert%20hoover%22%20naca%20pilot&match=1 Superscotchsonic ( talk) 12:27, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- I'm still not totally convinced on any coverage being "significant" here. These three sources you link ( 1, 2, 3) only give trivial mentions. I have no way to access the newspaper articles without a subscription, but at least two of them look to just be obituaries. I do think it's possible that these three sources are good enough, but hopefully we'll get some more discussion going here over the next couple of days and see what other people think. ThadeusOfNazereth Talk to Me! 13:19, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. The "first civilian ever and second man ever to break the sound barrier" is clearly notable. Easily enough sourcing to meet WP:GNG. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 14:07, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
- Keep, being the first civilian to break the sound barrier seems clearly notable. Jackattack1597 ( talk) 19:47, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Strong keep per WP:ANYBIO 1 and 2 (recipient of the Air Medal and being the first civilian to break the sound barrier). Sources provided by Superscotchsonic have significantly improved the sourcing of the article. Qwaiiplayer ( talk) 13:13, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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