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The result was redirect to Narendra Modi. Valid ATD that solves to the nomination issues. Star Mississippi 02:35, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Heeraben Modi
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Notability on Wikipedia is not inherited; all coverage this person has received in reliable sources is a consequence of, and relates to, her relationship to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Vanamonde ( Talk) 20:24, 2 October 2022 (UTC) For the record, I'm fine with a redirect, and would prefer that to outright deletion. Vanamonde ( Talk) 15:22, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 20:32, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
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- Comment. This is a misinterpretation of inherited notability. It doesn't matter why reliable sources cover her, only that they do (or don't, as the case may be). If she's received significant coverage, then she's notable, no matter who her son might be.
pburka (
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20:40, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- That isn't accurate, Pburka. Family members of famous individuals routinely receive extensive coverage in the media; we have articles on them only when they are a) independently notable, or b) when there is such a volume of coverage and biographical detail that a standalone page becomes necessary. Neither is true here.
Vanamonde (
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20:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's not supported by policy. If family members of famous people receive extensive coverage then they are notable per
WP:BASIC. We don't care why someone became famous; only that they are. I encourage you to review
WP:NOTINHERITED and
WP:INVALIDBIO, which explain that significant coverage determines notability regardless of the person's relationship to a more famous person. She's not automatically notable because of her famous son, but she's not automatically non-notable, either!
pburka (
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21:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- You've both misread my statement, and misunderstood that essay. Nowhere have I said she's not notable because she's related to Narendra Modi; I've said she has no coverage that doesn't relate to that relationship. To put it in language you seem to prefer, SIGCOV does not exist, because the coverage is all about her son. Vanamonde ( Talk) 22:20, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- That's not supported by policy. If family members of famous people receive extensive coverage then they are notable per
WP:BASIC. We don't care why someone became famous; only that they are. I encourage you to review
WP:NOTINHERITED and
WP:INVALIDBIO, which explain that significant coverage determines notability regardless of the person's relationship to a more famous person. She's not automatically notable because of her famous son, but she's not automatically non-notable, either!
pburka (
talk)
21:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- That isn't accurate, Pburka. Family members of famous individuals routinely receive extensive coverage in the media; we have articles on them only when they are a) independently notable, or b) when there is such a volume of coverage and biographical detail that a standalone page becomes necessary. Neither is true here.
Vanamonde (
Talk)
20:50, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, relationships do not confer notability. She has received coverage, yes, but significant coverage? No. Only coverage for being Modi's mother. Bishonen | tålk 21:06, 2 October 2022 (UTC).
- Redirect to Narendra Modi, where the known and essential biographical details of Heeraben can be mentioned. I looked through all the cited sources in the current version and if one looks past the RefBombing, there is really no substantial independent coverage to be found. The sources essentially fall into two groups:
- Thousands of similar sources with trivial and/or non-independent coverage can be found on a web/news search but that does not help establish notability under WP:GNG. And a Google Book search spits out only sources in the first category along with this self-published book of images of the Modis "taken from the internet". Abecedare ( talk) 22:03, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect per Abecedare above. Please note that her name can also be found spelled Hiraben Modi (already redirected) and Hiraba Modi in the English language press. Storchy ( talk) 10:16, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- Keep : She is the recipient of Nari Jagran Samman 2016 award and its reported by all major newspapers in India. Being Modi's mother and being Nari Jagran Samman 2016 award makes her to pass the minimum 2 notability factors.Additionally she is within the Category:Indian_centenarians . Thus I think this article could be kept live.
Jehowahyereh (
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15:35, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- I see no evidence that the award means anything. It's awarded by a non-notable magazine; I could not even find any evidence that anyone else has ever received the award, or that it's been awarded in other years.
Vanamonde (
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15:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- It's been reported as a substantial big features in almost all Indian Newspapers, which itself shows the prominense of that award.
Jehowahyereh (
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05:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hi , The award given by the media established in the year 1932 ( Sakal [11]) is removed by labeling non-notable awards. [12] What you are saying ( Jagran Prakashan 1975 ) is also an award given by the media. How is it accepted as notable? PravinGanechari ( talk) 13:31, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- It's been reported as a substantial big features in almost all Indian Newspapers, which itself shows the prominense of that award.
Jehowahyereh (
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05:11, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- I see no evidence that the award means anything. It's awarded by a non-notable magazine; I could not even find any evidence that anyone else has ever received the award, or that it's been awarded in other years.
Vanamonde (
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15:42, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I was going to nominate it for deletion per this exact reason when I came across it but got sidetracked. Waddles 🗩 🖉 19:53, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: per nom. The award given is also not notable. PravinGanechari ( talk) 2:06, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- Deleteper Vanamonde. Saturnrises ( talk) 12:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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