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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 20:10, 6 October 2022 (UTC) reply

Hasim Rahman Jr. vs Vitor Belfort (  | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)

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Fails WP:GNG. I understand it was recently announced, but that begs the question of why this page was even created in the first place, there is no evidence that this is is a high profile or even notable matchup. Digressing, I didn't find much significant coverage on Google, just some articles from sites like MMAJunkie, BJPenn.com, MMAFighting. ♡RAFAEL♡^{( talk)} 03:52, 6 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Boxing-related deletion discussions. ♡RAFAEL♡^{( talk)} 03:52, 6 September 2022 (UTC) reply

It's Misfits Boxing's second event. Rahman Jr. is the son of Rahman who is a well known person. Belfort is an ionic name in the combat sports industry. Having this page is important for Misfits Boxing as well as all the other YouTubers that will be featured on this event once they get announced. The only reason why there isn't much significant coverage on Google just yet is because the fight has only been discussed once and that was when it got announced during the KSI v Swarmz & Pineda bout. Once the full undercard gets revealed and tickets go on sale, everyone will be talking about this event since Rahman Jr. made a name for himself when his bout with Jake Paul was annouced. Keep this page up as it will get coverage and is apart of YouTube boxing history being the first event to have a real fighter on there. GhaziTwaissi ( talk) 10:03, 6 September 2022 (UTC) reply

I honestly doubt it, unless some other notable boxers appear on the card. The last event's article doesnt show much significant coverage to satisfy GNG either, which begs the question if these events are notable at all. ♡RAFAEL♡^{( talk)} 18:35, 6 September 2022 (UTC) reply

I say wait till the full undercard gets revealed. If it does not have significant coverage (which I doubt since it involves KSI) then it should be removed. GhaziTwaissi ( talk) 20:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC) reply

yea now that it's just Swinger and Cherldys its safe to say this article is not needed. GhaziTwaissi ( talk) 18:16, 15 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events and England. Spiderone ^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:03, 6 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:42, 13 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Belfort is a former UFC champion coming off a win of one of the greatest boxing heavyweights of all time in Holyfield. Rahman is the son of Hasim Rahman and made a big name for himself in the Jake Paul fight announcement. To say it isn't significant for a page is pretty stupid to me. The only reason there hasn't been a lot of news is because no other fights were announced on the card. So I say keep it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D MCCG ( talk • contribs) 20:27, 18 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Comment: This article has been moved and basically rewritten to be about another subject. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:41, 20 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KSAWikipedian ( talk) 19:02, 21 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Delete The fight has been announced and moved, but that doesn't meet any WP notability criteria. None of the fighters meet the notability criteria for boxers. Being the son of a world champion means nothing since notability is not inherited. As for being a notable event, I looked at the criteria listed at WP:NEVENT and don't see this event showing notability. Currently it doesn't have "enduring historical significance", "a significant lasting effect" ( WP:LASTING), nor does it have "widespread impact" that is "widely covered in diverse sources". It can be mentioned in articles of WP notable people, but nothing shows it merits a standalone article. Papaursa ( talk) 19:54, 26 September 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Keep He isn't just the son of a world champ, he made a big name and publicitly for his fight with Jake Paul. On the other hand you have Vitor Belfort, former UFC light-heavyweight champ, competed for UFC titles multiple times, beat champs, and just came off a win over one of the greatest heavyweights of all time in Evander Holyfield. So it definitely is notable for an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D MCCG ( talk • contribs) 23:08, 26 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Holyfield was a great fighter, but Belfort won an exhibition fight against a man who was one month short of being 59 and who hadn't fought in over a decade or won a major (according to WP:NBOX) world title since 2000. That doesn't make Belfort a notable boxer (not disputing his MMA notability) and still there's no evidence of this meeting WP:NEVENT. Papaursa ( talk) 00:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC) reply

Obviously a juiced up Belfort beating an old man isn't impressive, but it's the name who he beat which gives him notability, and you also got Rahman Jr. who a lot of people know for his supposed fight with Jake Paul. So I say keep, and what's the harm in keeping it? So people who want to know who's on the card don't know? — Preceding unsigned comment added by D MCCG ( talk • contribs) 01:53, 30 September 2022 (UTC) reply

I believe this is your first AfD discussion, so you might want to look at things like WP:NOTINHERITED. For example, a boxer doesn't become notable just because he fought a notable fighter well past his prime. Also, this discussion isn't about the individual fighters' notability, but rather the event's notability--as defined by WP. So far I'm not seeing evidence of an event with "historical significance".

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC) reply

• Delete or Draftify. As a minor future event fails criteria 1 of WP:CRYSTAL (which as a higher policy article is even more authoritative than GNG). Events get cancelled all the time due to real world events (think of 2020 and Covid-19 with massive event cancelations globally for example) We don't generally cover future events unless they are something major like the 2024 Olympics where a significant amount of indepth coverage happens before the event takes place. The coverage here is pretty sparse, and the event has already been postponed once. WP:TOOSOON applies here, and the article should either be deleted or draftified with a hold on moving to mainspace until after the event actually occurs. That said, there is no guarantee that event will pass WP:NEVENT/ WP:GNG even after the event happens. The drafted article should be required to pass a WP:AFC review in order to go back into main space as a condition of being draftified. 4meter4 ( talk) 16:18, 5 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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