- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was redirect to List of Carlton Football Club players#1920s. This decision is about the fate of this one article. If you believe that this page should be moved to a different title, that might be a discussion to have at WP:RM. Liz Read! Talk! 23:17, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
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Fails WP:GNG. Previously deemed notable under the WP:NAFL for having played one Australian Football League game in 1922, but this SNG no longer exists. All references in the article are database. Google search for Graham Kemp Carlton shows up database and wikis only [1]. 1922 newspaper search for Kemp Carlton Football shows nothing beyond WP:ROUTINE. And his Blueseum entry [2] (a fan wiki) is as bare as his Wikipedia page. All this to conclude that multiple secondary independent sources do not exist and shall never exist. Aspirex ( talk) 23:00, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Australia. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 20:10, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Carlton Football Club players as alternative to deletion. Deus et lex ( talk) 06:43, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to
List of Carlton Football Club players#1920s, a search of the
Trove archives brought up nothing, though searching is complicated by a newspaper columnist with the same name operating at the same time.
Devonian Wombat (
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22:37, 27 September 2022 (UTC)
- Question Is there actually a policy or precedent on the matter of articles which fail GNG being list redirects. It would be very useful to have a consistent approach for dealing with post-NSPORTS2022 AfDs. By my read of
WP:RPURPOSE, this isn't really one of the intended purposes of redirecting, and I don't think it's necessarily appropriate that a list article should be a redirect target for hundreds or thousands of its entries that aren't independently notable. On the other hand, it would also be nice to be able to clean up non-controversial, non-notable players unilaterally with this sort of redirect rather than going through a full AfD for every one of the them.
Aspirex (
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00:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - this is something that it would be useful to have clarified in the forthcoming RfC on mass creations and deletions, once it finally gets going. Ingratis ( talk) 01:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Question Is there actually a policy or precedent on the matter of articles which fail GNG being list redirects. It would be very useful to have a consistent approach for dealing with post-NSPORTS2022 AfDs. By my read of
WP:RPURPOSE, this isn't really one of the intended purposes of redirecting, and I don't think it's necessarily appropriate that a list article should be a redirect target for hundreds or thousands of its entries that aren't independently notable. On the other hand, it would also be nice to be able to clean up non-controversial, non-notable players unilaterally with this sort of redirect rather than going through a full AfD for every one of the them.
Aspirex (
talk)
00:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure a redirect would work here, considering there is an article on a cricket player with the same name. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 16:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Said Cricket player is probably also not notable, however. Devonian Wombat ( talk) 21:59, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting given questions about the utility of a closure to Redirect by Aspirex. I'm not against a redirect but I'd like to see more support for one as the outcome of this AFD discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. An article "Graham Kemp" should possibly be about the virologist, see pg. 200 here [3] also e.g. [4] [5]. Jahaza ( talk) 01:10, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect Per above. If someone actually creates an article about the virologist we can always delete the redirect at that time, but until then, it's not an issue. Smartyllama ( talk) 13:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of Carlton Football Club players#1920s. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:36, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think it makes sense to have "Graham Kemp" redirect to the Carlton list and then "Graham Kemp (cricketer)" redirect to the Otago player list. What makes someone who played one top-level game of Australian football more notable than someone who played one top-level game of cricket (when both fail GNG)? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:38, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- Delete and do not redirect. There is a probably notable virologist named "Graham Kemp" (see Jahaza's !vote), which should be the article at "Graham Kemp," and then there are two non-notable sportspeople who each played one game at the top-level in their respective sports. It doesn't make sense to have the main "Graham Kemp" page redirect to the Australian rules football list, the page "Graham Kemp (cricketer)" redirect to a cricket list, and then have "Graham Kemp (virologist)" an article. So I oppose redirect.
BeanieFan11 (
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15:45, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- I would be fine if "Graham Kemp (Australian footballer)" redirected to the Carlton list, but not the main "Graham Kemp" title. BeanieFan11 ( talk) 15:48, 5 October 2022 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.