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The result was keep. Aoidh ( talk) 04:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Girl Out of the Ordinary
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Fails the requirements of WP:NALBUM. Has been lacking any sources since 2008 ( WP:GNG). I have searched and can’t find any reliable independent secondary sources required to establish notability. Dan arndt ( talk) 01:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Albums and songs and Canada. Dan arndt ( talk) 01:38, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to Beverley Mahood#Albums per nom. Jfire ( talk) 05:30, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Redirect to Beverley Mahood#Albums: Lacks independent SIGCOV The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 09:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
- Changing to Keep per the new references provided by Donaldd23 and Nfitz. Looks like there are references with SIGCOV. The Herald (Benison) ( talk) 02:52, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep Reviews in Waterloo Region Record
[1], Ottawa Citizen
[2], The Province
[3], Winnepeg Sun
[4]
DonaldD23
talk to me
02:41, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Jumping in here with some publicly accessible links to the articles above:
- — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 02:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 04:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep in addition to the notable reviews above, the album was surely the impetus for her Juno nomination shortly after it's release. I really can't fathom this nomination. I'm not sure where User:Dan arndt searched, but it certainly doesn't seem it was the right place for sources from last century. Please withdraw the nomination. Nfitz ( talk) 20:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, in answer to
Nfitz's comments - the reviews of the album in the regional newspapers are not readily accessible or
verifable as they require a subscription to access - I accept in
good faith that they exist, however it would help the discussion to understand whether they are substantive reviews or press releases. Secondly statements such as "the album was surely the impetus for her Juno nomination" smacks of
personal opinion, without any providing corroborating sources or references. Thirdly I have searched the web extensively to locate sources required to establish notability, but if you can direct me and other editors to where these sources exist then this would assist the ongoing discussion. So in answer I am not proposing to withdraw this nomination.
Dan arndt (
talk)
07:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- It would have helped, User:Dan arndt, if I'd included the reference I was going to add about a Juno nomination! It's very easy to find references in both Proquest and newspapers.com, which are accessible through Wikipedia Library; checking Wikipedia Library is really a must (especially for people from this era); see the instructions at WP:AFD - particularly WP:CONRED in WP:BEFORE about "Search for additional sources, if the main concern is notability". While just searching the web might suffice for something released 5 years ago, it isn't enough for this. Normally if "regional" is tossed around in an AFD discussion it's because the coverage is from the hometown paper - which is certainly true in the dozens of articles that can quickly be found in The Record - which is a major paper. But it seems a bit of a stretch to also apply it to some of the other biggest papers in the country! Ottawa, Winnipeg, Vancouver! These are 1000s of miles apart! Another 1000 miles further east is Halifax - so here's a reference from the Halifax Daily News. The album's release got coast-to-coast coverage; and her Juno nominations mentioning the album made national papers and magazines, such as a lengthy piece in Saturday Night written by Don Gillmor and in the biggest national news agency ( Canadian Press) which even uses the album's name as a pun in the article title. A decade later national pieces about Mahood still mention the album, such as in the National Post. Please withdraw this BEFORE failure. Nfitz ( talk) 18:24, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment, in answer to
Nfitz's comments - the reviews of the album in the regional newspapers are not readily accessible or
verifable as they require a subscription to access - I accept in
good faith that they exist, however it would help the discussion to understand whether they are substantive reviews or press releases. Secondly statements such as "the album was surely the impetus for her Juno nomination" smacks of
personal opinion, without any providing corroborating sources or references. Thirdly I have searched the web extensively to locate sources required to establish notability, but if you can direct me and other editors to where these sources exist then this would assist the ongoing discussion. So in answer I am not proposing to withdraw this nomination.
Dan arndt (
talk)
07:34, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. While I am seeing sources for "Girl Out of the Ordinary", I would advise a bit of caution on taking them exclusively to refer to the album, as a
single of the same name from the same artist charted in Canada and peaked at No. 10. There is some coverage of the album within a broader article The Record (
D1,
D2) and another in
The Ottowa Citizen. But many of the reviews I can find are quite short (
The Winnipeg Sun,
The Province) with the exception of the one in
The Record given above. I do lean towards keeping here in light of the broader sourcing situation and
WP:NALBUMS#1, though I can't blame the nom for making this nomination—search engines indeed return very little. Some arguments above were made that the artist was notable and so we should keep this, but notability of music albums is
not inherited per se from the notability of the individual who wrote them (see:
That an album is an officially released recording by a notable musician or ensemble is not by itself reason for a standalone article
in NALBUMS), and passing mentions (even if years after the fact) don't contribute towards WP:SIGCOV. Still, the sources presented here and that I can find via newspaper archives are probably enough to get this over the hump. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
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