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The result was no consensus. This AfD needs to be put out of its misery. The nominator offers a persuasive rationale, but there has been little substantive engagement with the sources provided over the sources of this discussion, and without independent evaluation of those sources, I cannot accept or dismiss them while closing. No prejudice against speedy renomination. Vanamonde ( Talk) 00:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
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Predecessor on the Committee on Standards in Public Life, Monisha Shah, was just deleted at AfD. There is more to this article than that one, but possibly still not enough to meet the GNG when you drill down. Take out the biography on the UK government website (a primary source), and what we can verify is that his father was notable, he was a lawyer, is now a self-employed businessman, was a member of the Bullingdon Club at the same time as two notable people, and that his appointment to the CSPL was controversial, but no biographical information about him. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:02, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
- Keep: (as article creator). So a mere penny for my thoughts? Passes GNG. Yes the nom., an oversighter, seems to press to dig for more bio information, possibly looking at a social media account purportedly (and probably) belonging to Fergusson. There's probably a Debrett's references also but I havanet got that yet. There is more information in his activities in several issues of TheLawyer but that a paid subscription including gathering analytics. BEFORE not followed to examine the obvious merge. Thankyou.
Djm-leighpark (
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20:12, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- @ Djm-leighpark: You should be able to access The Lawyer via ProQuest provided by the Wikipedia Library. SmartSE ( talk) 17:05, 11 December 2021 (UTC)
- @ Smartse. Thanks for that. I've scanned through this interesting source, been way too distracted by some queries both related and unrelated to this AfD, but certainly would recommend people use it at times. Lawyer related article's were interesting and may be useful, perhaps [1] the best; to me personally Andersen [2]; though in the end I did'tfind the Lawyer article for the result of this event (Fergusson came 2nd I think) [3]. I'm not sure James Delingpole's 2003 piece is usable [4]. Its was useful for looking at Times articles I might have used: [5]; also this article might has been better than one's I've used: [6]. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 04:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Extraordinary Writ (
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21:02, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete feels like a BLP1E to me. SportingFlyer T· C 12:59, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
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WP:BLP1E requires each of three conditions to be filled, and while some may "feel" like it is a BLP1E case Fergusson fails all three counts: With publicity peaks on the Bullingdon Assoication with future PM's (Waugh 2007) and what seems like criminal actions in 1987 through to the CSPL appointment in 2021. I've expanded the article a little regarding the diversity aspects of that appointment and am seeking the minutes of the July 2021 meeting.
Djm-leighpark (
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00:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- I think all three criteria are met. He only has an article because he was blurbed in the news recently. SportingFlyer T· C 18:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
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WP:BLP1E requires each of three conditions to be filled, and while some may "feel" like it is a BLP1E case Fergusson fails all three counts: With publicity peaks on the Bullingdon Assoication with future PM's (Waugh 2007) and what seems like criminal actions in 1987 through to the CSPL appointment in 2021. I've expanded the article a little regarding the diversity aspects of that appointment and am seeking the minutes of the July 2021 meeting.
Djm-leighpark (
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00:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: As part of working on Fergusson's article I became aware the minutes for the 290th meeting on 15 July 2015 seemed not to be published and as a result of a query to the CSPLs public email address earliest today a CSPL secretarial person replied they had just been published at [7] & [8]. (I had also said that if it proved these werer not published - as opposed to me not finding them - I was simultaneously raising an FOI on the reason these were not published at the time - though simple answers such haven't a clue or forgot are available). I had also raised concern with another CSPL document on about December 9 but had a response with allayed my concerns so unlike the 290 meeting minutes there was no change to source information. If anyone thinks I am developing a COI with CSPL please feel free to raise a COIN). Thankyou. Djm-leighpark ( talk) 15:55, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Daniel (
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11:26, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Forgive me for a third round - anyone who is NOT INVOLVED in this article able to review? Thanks.
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Missvain (
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02:31, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. There's not enough provided to demonstrate the subject's notability. MarchOfTheGreyhounds ( talk) 14:14, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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MarchOfTheGreyhounds: Following your recent interactions with the relister and their shouting NOT INVOLVED comment and your recent change of name and with this VAGUEWAVE comment I do not believe you are fully independent. (article creator).
Djm-leighpark (
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15:21, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- I mean yeah, I've interacted with the relister a couple of times. We're both involved in a number of recent AfDs, so it's natural our paths would cross, surely? Don't really see what a username change has to do with anything.
MarchOfTheGreyhounds (
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15:39, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- Discretion would have meant Special:Diff/1062192020 should likely have been sent privately. I contacted oversighters about that contribution but on Ticket#2021122710000459 they responded: "We appreciate you bringing this to our attention. Unfortunately, the edits associated with your request cannot be suppressed under our policy ..." Djm-leighpark ( talk) 15:51, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
- I mean yeah, I've interacted with the relister a couple of times. We're both involved in a number of recent AfDs, so it's natural our paths would cross, surely? Don't really see what a username change has to do with anything.
MarchOfTheGreyhounds (
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15:39, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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