The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The result was no consensus. Despite some keep !votes with questionable arguments, noone who wants to delete the article has sufficiently explained why the coverage presented in the AfD and in the article do not meet the standards of
WP:GNG, for example the Camus chapter
[1] or the sources mentioned by Toughpigs.
Pax:Vobiscum (
talk) 15:31, 3 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep or merge but not delete. Recurring DC character. But notable? Maybe. Since she was a featured recurring hosted characters from DC for a long time . We shall see. All it is missing is reception in all honesty. I should note that this editor is just baiting what seems like new articles. This one is new and is almost as just as essential and recurring as Cain and Abel.
Jhenderson777 02:13, 18 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Note: I don’t where to merge them yet if the consensus is to merge. That could be figured out later.
Jhenderson777 02:23, 18 November 2020 (UTC)reply
keep Recurring character across multiple significant titles.
Artw (
talk) 03:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete "It's a recurring character" is not a valid argument unless someone can come up with sources that prove notability. There are many recurring characters that lack any sort of notability whatsoever. She does not appear to be a particularly notable character and only gets a minor mention in
List of Lucifer characters. The article itself is
WP:ALLPLOT cruft.ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 06:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)reply
It has publication history. Not all is just plot and cruft.
Jhenderson777 14:23, 18 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Vote pending: Waiting to see the coverage asserted above. Maybe my Google Fu needs adjustment, or maybe any coverage was lost in a sea of other "Adam and Eve" stuff, but all I was able to dig up was this:
https://screenrant.com/lucifer-dc-comic-characters-hoping/Darkknight2149 08:14, 18 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete: Article does not meet
WP:GNG or
WP:FICTION, sources are either primary (not secondary
WP:ISWP:RS sources with
WP:SIGCOV) or fancruft, promotional, or mentions, nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.
WP:BEFORE showed nothing that would establish notability. I don't think there is content worth merging, but if someone sees material that is not
WP:OR /
WP:SNYTH and is properly sourced I'd consider a merge. //
Timothy :: talk 15:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete - As with the other related articles, coverage is pretty non-existent. This does not meet
WP:GNG.
TTN (
talk) 23:14, 19 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep: There is coverage already present in the article that has not been addressed, including American Comic Book Chronicles and Back Issue! which are reliable independent sources. —
Toughpigs (
talk) 16:13, 23 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment 2:I added info to the point I think it is notable enough to be merged NOT deleted. I am not sure she is notable enough character yet as an article compared to her sons since she doesn’t play a major role in The Sandman as much. Though I think she has enough relevance to merge or conjoined to something relevant to DC Comics.
Jhenderson777 02:16, 26 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep Sizable article well supported with references. The nomination reference of ‘real world’ makes no sense to me - that certainly does not seem to be a relevant criteria here.--
Concertmusic (
talk) 20:26, 28 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep for now, as there is no consensus for deletion. There probably should be some merging between this and the Cain and Abel articles, but that should not be discussed in AFD.
Rhino131 (
talk) 15:51, 30 November 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.