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The result was delete. Salvio Let's talk about it! 12:10, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
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Unless there is something new, he does not seem to meet WP:POLITICAN DGG ( talk ) 01:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. There are mentions, but I do not see substantial coverage from reliable sources of this subject. -- Hobbes Goodyear ( talk) 02:11, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
- He was leader (secretary) of the biggest political party in Kazakhstan.
Google search confirms that there are many mentions in media. The only problem is that all sources are in Russian and Kazakh. --
Mheidegger (
talk) 04:57, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
- The article does not make this claim, nor does it appear to be true.
This English language source gave his title as "Secretary for Strategic Development of Nur Otan Party" and his immediate successor in the job was described as
"acting secretary on ideology of the Nur Otan Party"". Still, potentially notable, but reliable sources required, despite difficulties presented by language barriers. Note: his name is also transliterated as "Yerlan Karin". --
Hobbes Goodyear (
talk) 07:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
- Ok, I will later add new reliable sources in Kazakh. -- Mheidegger ( talk) 03:26, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
- The article does not make this claim, nor does it appear to be true.
This English language source gave his title as "Secretary for Strategic Development of Nur Otan Party" and his immediate successor in the job was described as
"acting secretary on ideology of the Nur Otan Party"". Still, potentially notable, but reliable sources required, despite difficulties presented by language barriers. Note: his name is also transliterated as "Yerlan Karin". --
Hobbes Goodyear (
talk) 07:58, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
- He was leader (secretary) of the biggest political party in Kazakhstan.
Google search confirms that there are many mentions in media. The only problem is that all sources are in Russian and Kazakh. --
Mheidegger (
talk) 04:57, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
- Keep, the article needs a rewrite (at present reads like a CV), but the person is definitely notable, which a quick google books search shows (in English, btw): "Erlan Karin, a high-ranking official in the ruling Nur Otan Party, ..." [1], "We can agree with Kazakhstan expert Erlan Karin, who says that the..." [2], "As Dr. Erlan Karin, the director of the influential Agency for Political Research in Kazakhstan, put it early in 2000..." [3], "Thus, the Secretary of the ruling Nur Otan Party, Yerlan Karin..." [4], "Yerlan Karin, a rising star among Kazakhstan's geopolitical pundits..." [5], etc. Even if the current state of an article isn't that good, a quick google search is advisable before initiating an AfD. -- Soman ( talk) 05:41, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
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- Delete. The five references above (and that is all) are in passing and do not treat the subject in depth. Xxanthippe ( talk) 21:21, 22 February 2014 (UTC).
- Сause you see only references in English. But there are many references in Russian and kazakh that do treat the subject in depth. -- Mheidegger ( talk) 08:35, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 13:14, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
- If there are references in other languages, please give them--especially Russian, which many of us can read at least a little. I point out that the positions held qould not normally be regarded as intrinsiclaly notable, unless secretary was head of the party, but I do not think that was the case here. DGG (at NYPL) -- reply here 20:41, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 13:12, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
- Keep. His positions seem to make him notable enough. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 15:16, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
- Delete. His position does not make him notable per se (see DGG's comment above). The article is filled with WP:OR and refs are still insufficient. This AfD has been relisted twice, so there's been ample time to add passable refs, if they were to exist. Agricola44 ( talk) 15:51, 14 March 2014 (UTC).
- I should add that, of the 2 "keep" !votes, one is unsupported assertion, and the other is made on the basis of a few trivial mentions. Again, this AfD has been going on for almost a month, so it is very likely that if substantive sources were to exist, they would have appeared already. Agricola44 ( talk) 15:59, 14 March 2014 (UTC).
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