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The result was keep. Two delete !votes are based on failing WP:NPOL without any discussion of WP:BASIC or WP:GNG. Bearcat mentions GNG but does not address sources brought later despite relists. So Why 06:41, 11 August 2017 (UTC) reply

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There is some notability, but from my POV not quite enough. He wasn't even elected to parliament. Arthistorian1977 ( talk) 14:32, 9 July 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kenya-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 21:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 21:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU ^(T) 21:05, 9 July 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete. Our notability criteria for politicians do not include "ran in a nomination contest or primary and lost" — a person has to hold office, not just run for it, to be considered notable as a politician per se. But the claims of notability as a lawyer aren't automatic notability passes either — being chairman of the Law Society has potential, but it would still require more than just one piece of media coverage about his initial election to that role to clear WP:GNG for it, such as some properly sourced substance about things he did in that role. Bearcat ( talk) 17:56, 10 July 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep - as chairman of the Law Society of Kenya that alone I believe makes them notable, ignoring the ran but failed political career. As chairman of a governmentally set up body that it is mandatory for all lawyers to be part of, I believe that provides notability. Needs expanding and more references though. Canterbury Tail talk 16:52, 11 July 2017 (UTC) reply

It's not enough to just assume that maybe the referencing might be improvable — the equation is not "notability comes first and then maybe referencing", but rather the referencing inherently defines the notability or lack thereof. For a poorly referenced article to get a presumption of notability on the grounds that it's improvable, it has to be shown that the necessary depth of sourcing does exist — an article about a person can make no notability claim that confers an automatic "notable because X has been stated even if proper sources for it don't exist anywhere". So it's not enough to say that it "needs more references" — it needs to be definitively shown that there are more references that can be added to fulfill that need. Bearcat ( talk) 21:58, 11 July 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete - As per Bearcat. The subject of the article was not elected to parliament, and thus the article doesn't pass WP:NPOL. SophisticatedSwampert ^{let's talk about that} 21:39, 12 July 2017 (UTC) reply

• Delete not enough to get in through NPOL. L3X1 (distænt write) )evidence( 14:12, 24 July 2017 (UTC) reply
• Delete as per Bearcat's statement. Bungle ^{( talk • contribs)} 16:47, 1 August 2017 (UTC) reply
• Keep. The subject appears to be covered in several large news outlets that cover election events: The Kenya Star 1, The Kenya Star 2, The Daily Nation 1, and The Daily Nation 2 for example. There are a fair number of additional articles in these two publications, which are the top two newspapers in Kenya. It seems that Mantua was involved in some significant and interesting election drama that netted him some news coverage. This establishes notability alone. With some expansion relying on this coverage, the article itself will improve in quality. Malinaccier ( talk) 18:41, 1 August 2017 (UTC) reply

• Keep. Did anyone do a WP:BEFORE here? There's tons of news coverage of this guy, and not just related to the election he lost. Here's an article about him being called to the Supreme Court in 2013. Here's coverage of him starting his term as Chairman of the Law Society, and here's coverage of him ending. Here's another article focused on just him and his supporters. And those don't even include ones where he's just quoted. This is substantial coverage. Just because he happened to then lose an election does not mean he's non-notable. agtx 21:30, 7 August 2017 (UTC) reply

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