- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Strong consensus that NPOL is satisfied and sufficient consensus that there is sufficient sourcing to satisfy any coverage aspect of that. (non-admin closure) Nosebagbear ( talk) 22:23, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
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This politician has 0 reliable sources (I checked) and notability cannot be established, as of yet. If she were a U.S. Senator, it’d be a different story, but as a relatively unknown state senator with no sources to verify anything, I propose deletion. Trillfendi ( talk) 05:20, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep She has certainly been in the news in the last year or so, with articles about draft bills she has introduced on gun control, confederate monuments, sexual harassment training for legislators, controversial issues in her state. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 06:00, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Member of the Georgia State Senate since 2015. Passes WP:NPOL. While the current sourcing (as I type) is not nearly adequate, the CV of the subject is housed on the website of the State Senate. -- Enos733 ( talk) 06:44, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Having now read
WP:NPOL, which clearly states that politicians who have held statewide office are presumed to be notable, I don't understand why this article was proposed for deletion at all.
RebeccaGreen (
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07:25, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
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RebeccaGreen Show me any reliable source on her, I’ll wait. That same
WP:NPOL section says: Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article".
Trillfendi (
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14:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- The "major local political figures" criterion is for mayors and city councillors, not state legislators. State legislators hold office at the state level, not the local one, and are covered under NPOL #1, not NPOL #2. Bearcat ( talk) 22:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
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RebeccaGreen Show me any reliable source on her, I’ll wait. That same
WP:NPOL section says: Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage.Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article".
Trillfendi (
talk)
14:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Having now read
WP:NPOL, which clearly states that politicians who have held statewide office are presumed to be notable, I don't understand why this article was proposed for deletion at all.
RebeccaGreen (
talk)
07:25, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep 870 current results in Google News under her name (even if just quick comments on constituent issues). If WP:BEFORE was done by nom, it was in a sloppy manner and without good search modifiers. Subject easily passes NPOL. Nate • ( chatter) 13:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment I’m reminding you... no reliable sources to verify any statement made in this article. Wikipedia is not for CVs, it’s not supposed to read like a resume, there have to be sources to back it up.
Trillfendi (
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14:13, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment As the nominator, it is incumbent on you to do a proper BEFORE. You clearly haven't in the barest sense; her name is regularly in Atlanta news media sources. This should be easy to source, and your claim there are 'zero' sources is undone by her state page and the minimum GN sources.
Nate • (
chatter)
16:40, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
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Mrschimpf Obviously I did do a “before” and that’s how I came to my initial conclusion. The very most I could find was a brief, one sentence mention in the New York Times on the 3rd page of Google. But I guess that’s significant coverage these days. Those new sources you speak of were added by another user after I had proposed deletion of this article. Show me all these other Georgian reliable sources that substantiate the criteria of significant coverage and I would happily add them,
but I won’t hold my breath.
Trillfendi (
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17:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Would you like a hint? Try the "news" tab instead of the "all" tab. You'll suddenly see what everybody else is seeing.
Bearcat (
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22:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Even in that case I still only see fleeting mentions.... Whenever she decides to run for a higher office or maybe becomes embroiled in a controversy, on then could the article even have room for improvement. But as I said, if you find these wonderful sources be my guest.
Trillfendi (
talk)
23:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- State legislator is in and of itself a high enough office to justify a Wikipedia article. Bearcat ( talk) 02:32, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
- Even in that case I still only see fleeting mentions.... Whenever she decides to run for a higher office or maybe becomes embroiled in a controversy, on then could the article even have room for improvement. But as I said, if you find these wonderful sources be my guest.
Trillfendi (
talk)
23:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Would you like a hint? Try the "news" tab instead of the "all" tab. You'll suddenly see what everybody else is seeing.
Bearcat (
talk)
22:22, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
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Mrschimpf Obviously I did do a “before” and that’s how I came to my initial conclusion. The very most I could find was a brief, one sentence mention in the New York Times on the 3rd page of Google. But I guess that’s significant coverage these days. Those new sources you speak of were added by another user after I had proposed deletion of this article. Show me all these other Georgian reliable sources that substantiate the criteria of significant coverage and I would happily add them,
but I won’t hold my breath.
Trillfendi (
talk)
17:18, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment As the nominator, it is incumbent on you to do a proper BEFORE. You clearly haven't in the barest sense; her name is regularly in Atlanta news media sources. This should be easy to source, and your claim there are 'zero' sources is undone by her state page and the minimum GN sources.
Nate • (
chatter)
16:40, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment - 'Local' is clearly distinguished from state level. She is not a local official, she has been elected to statewide office, and is therefore presumed notable. RebeccaGreen ( talk) 14:32, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Show me the
moneysources. (Holding the office is one part, but notability itself simply has to be established through significant coverage which she clearly lacks. These are halves.) Trillfendi ( talk) 15:17, 1 November 2018 (UTC) - Keep as subject verifiably meets the "members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature" criterion of WP:POLITICIAN. That criterion, as is explained in the notes of the guideline, is intended to ensure complete encyclopedic coverage of such subjects even if they do not satisfy other coverage guidelines, so the premise of the nomination is dubious. Bakazaka ( talk) 18:02, 1 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep erroneous nomination. A quick Google search turns up many reliable sources. Elected to Georgia Senate November 2014. Netherzone ( talk) 04:59, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep – Parent meets WP:NPOL and therefore her notability is presumed. Google News brings up many independent RS such as [1] and there is a fair bit of coverage in The Atlanta Journal-Constitution too (e.g. 22 May 2014, pages B1 and B8); there is more than enough material to show that Parent meets WP:BASIC. Furthermore, she is not a local official as she has held statewide office. Thine Antique Pen ( talk) 19:28, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Clearly meets NPOL as a member of the Georgia state senate. Deletion is not cleanup. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 15:32, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Yes, the article does need some improvement — but state legislators pass WP:NPOL #1 just the same as federal ones do, and there most certainly is media coverage out there about her to improve the article with. Bearcat ( talk) 22:18, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
- Keep Passes WP:NPOL. Article should be improved. SportingFlyer talk 00:09, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
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