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The result was delete. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 12:42, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Ebenezer Crummett
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Another hoax, detected and flagged by the indefatigable 66.177.64.39. Searches find the usual mirrors, including translations to German and Italian and "books" recycled from WP. There are other references suggesting that there may have been one or more people with this name, but no independent confirmation of what the article says.
The article gives three references. I do not have physical access to the first two, but Amazon provides "look inside" searches for both, and there are no hits for "Crummett" - see article talk page for details. I do have access to the third reference, the collected papers of Alexander Hamilton in 27 volumes, which has a cumulative index, a fat volume in itself. There is no entry for Crummett. I have also checked other relevant books including "Who Was Who in the American Revolution" without result.
Conclusion: fails WP:V. No confirmation + false references => deliberate hoax. JohnCD ( talk) 19:53, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
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- DELETE Yes, it is very convenient that the Hamilton papers are listed as a source (for the alleged correspondance) and that his papers are searchable online. I repeated JohnCD's search for Crummett (and Ebenezer) here and came up empty. Very nicely crafted article though, as far has hoaxes go. —Noah ( talk) 23:26, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: This person does appear to have existed and as a soldier in the War. So, not technically a hoax, at least not on the name basis. (I do not have any evidence that the links above refer to the same person, as more than one could have shared the name in the same era and location.) However, the article is at present failing to establish notability per WP:SOLDIER, needing better sources. Pax 01:41, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, one or more people by this name existed, but all the stuff about being decorated for bravery, saving Lafayette and quarrelling with Alexander Hamilton is completely unverified - in fact, worse than unverified: plausible sources are cited for it which would confirm it if it were true, but which do not in fact mention it at all. That's why I call hoax. JohnCD ( talk) 17:58, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. I also noticed Pax's other Ebenezers, but even if one of them should be the same as the subject of the article, we would have a hoax superimposed over an otherwise non-notable 18th-century soldier. הסרפד ( call me Hasirpad) 20:03, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
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