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Delete or limited merge. I see a carpet-bomb of references (in what appear to be
WP:RS) but they're all local and routine coverage you would expect from a civil servant of his rank. Most of the article reads like a resume (and a good chunk of it is total trivia about his personal life). My own searching finds mostly social media and routine references to his connection with
West Kowloon Cultural District. As a
WP:ATD, a limited merge to
West Kowloon Cultural District might make sense; leave out all the personal trivia about his houses, family, and early schooling, and include just a couple of sentences about his relationship with the project. --
RoySmith(talk)14:24, 3 June 2017 (UTC)reply
One of the biggest concerns raised about this article has been its local nature. And it is local. Local like
MoMA is local, like
Southbank director
Jude Kelly is local, like hundreds of other articles that are local in topic, but of wider interest (to, eg, everyone in the contemporary art world, everyone interested in the globally-contentious politics of Hong Kong).
Hong Kong is a de facto city-state of 8 million—that's more than Los Angeles and Chicago combined, for the Americans out there. It is an art world hub rivaled only London and New York. A deeply controversial HK$20B arts project in this tumultuous political atmosphere is of interest, and naturally, so is its chief.
Now to specifics.
"References . . . they're all local . . ." He has been covered by foreign publications
CNBC,
Variety and the
Art Newspaper.
"Most of the article reads like a resume." Writing style or structure can be changed.
"A good chunk of it is total trivia about his personal life." I believe you are referring to the 45 words on his early life—so less than 10% of the article.
"Personal trivia about his houses" I'd be willing to ditch the bit on his Peak mansion, although I'm not sure how trivial it is that the housing chief lived in government-subsidised luxury in one of the most-densely populated cities on the planet. I will not, however, cede the paragraph on his involvement in the widely-covered illegal structures scandal.
"Personal trivia about his . . . family." His wife was mentioned in passing in one sentence, and not even named?
"Personal trivia about his . . . early schooling." There is one sentence about this.
History
21:53, 07 May – I create the article Duncan Pescod and edit it twice.
22:15, 07 May –
Chrissymad tags the page for speedy deletion under criteria G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion and G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement. I exchange several messages on the article's
talk page with Chrissymad. I edit the article two more times.
23:08, 07 May – Chrissymad removes her citation of the G11 criterion. I edit the page once more.
23:55, 07 May – Article is speedily deleted by
SouthernNights under criteria A7: No credible indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content, events) and G12.
00:11, 08 May – I speak to SouthernNights who directs me to Deletion Review.
13:26, 09 May – I create a Deletion Review for the article. It gets 2 responses, both recommending sending the issue to
AfD.
22:22, 09 May –
Cryptic closes the Deletion Review, noting "Copyright violations are never restored."
22:29, 10 May – I begin a conversation with Cryptic. We exchange several messages between the 10th and 19th.
22:43, 19 May – Cryptic suggests I ask SouthernNights to temporarily restore the article without quotes. I do so.
03:14, 22 May – SouthernNights temporarily restores the article without the offending notes under the Sources section so it could come to Deletion Review.
11:19, 23 May – I take the article back to Deletion Review. RoySmith,
Cryptic,
Hobit,
Lankiveil, and
DESiegel make recommendations.
03:58, 3 June –
Sandstein closes the Deletion Review as Speedy deletion undone and article sent to AfD to determine notability.
His appointment to the Authority was covered in the media, in a move seen as entrenching of
pro-establishment interests in a highly visible and increasingly embarrassing project, as was his promotion to chief of the Authority.
While he was Director of Housing, he was involved in a scandal in which public officials (incl the
Chief Executive) were found to have illegal built structures on their properties.
He was the most senior non-Chinese civil servant when he was working directly for the government.
Many other less notable Hong Kong civil servants have articles. See
Rita Lau.
Providing information about prominent public officials is one of Wikipedia's noblest achievements.
Is the man running Hong Kong's most ambitious ever arts project (including the building of
M+ Museum, which will house biggest & most comprehensive collection of Chinese art in the world) really less notable than
Robert Hammond?
Keep sources on him are in enough detail I think he meets WP:N. And certainly not all of it is positive, so I think this won't be a hagiography (yes, I had to look up how to spell that).
Hobit (
talk)
17:40, 12 June 2017 (UTC)reply
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