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The result was no consensus, with no prejudice against speedy renomination. ( non-admin closure) —  Jkudlick  ^t c _s 01:56, 6 December 2015 (UTC) reply

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Declined speedy on the grounds that he is the founder of a notable organisation; however I doubt if he is independently notable. I would favour a redierect to Fully Informed Jury Association TheLongTone ( talk) 14:33, 6 November 2015 (UTC) reply

• Keep, I've done a bit of research on Doig. I would easily say that he is notable on various things. He was the co-founder and national coordinator for the Fully Informed Jury Association. In politics, he is a former candidate for the Montana Libertarian Party. He has published many articles that are cross referenced in the medical field. Also anyone studying judicial law is going to come across him and his work. It should also be noted that he is quoted on many occasions. Collectively on at least 5 different things, four of them discrete from each other, I believe he is notable. Thanks Karl Twist ( talk) 04:34, 7 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Montana-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:22, 13 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Conservatism-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:22, 13 November 2015 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 01:22, 13 November 2015 (UTC) reply

• While being a founder of an organization is a claim of notability that might get a person into Wikipedia if it can be well-sourced, it's not a claim of notability that gets a person any automatic inclusion rights just because he exists — and being a non-winning candidate for office counts for nothing under WP:NPOL. And the sourcing here is far too reliant on primary source verification of his existence rather than reliably sourced documentation of his notability — far too many of the "sources" are to the web pages of directly affiliated organizations, and the relatively few references that are appropriately reliable virtually all just passingly namecheck him rather than being about him per se. So he doesn't get to claim WP:GNG either. Redirect to Fully Informed Jury Association per nominator. Bearcat ( talk) 17:16, 27 November 2015 (UTC) reply

• Redirect to Fully Informed Jury Association. The organization is notable, its founder apparently not. Carrite ( talk) 15:39, 30 November 2015 (UTC) reply
• Keep, and I'll repeat what I said on the 7th of November. I've done a bit of research on Doig. I would easily say that he is notable on various things. He was the co-founder and national coordinator for the Fully Informed Jury Association. In politics, he is a former candidate for the Montana Libertarian Party. He has published many articles that are cross referenced in the medical field. Also anyone studying judicial law is going to come across him and his work. It should also be noted that he is quoted on many occasions. Collectively on at least 5 different things, four of them discrete from each other, I believe he is notable. Take them into account. Thanks Karl Twist ( talk) 09:53, 2 December 2015 (UTC) reply

You don't get to vote multiple times in an AFD discussion; you're allowed to comment as many times as you like, but you only get to preface one comment with either a bolded "keep" or a bolded "delete" vote and the rest may only be comments. That part of this comment, accordingly, has been struck out. At any rate, "quoted on many occasions" is not a thing that gets a person into Wikipedia, and being a non-winning candidate for political office is not a thing that gets a person into Wikipedia — and while founding a notable organization can be a thing that gets a person into Wikipedia, that's still dependent on his being the subject of reliable source coverage and does not constitute an automatic "keep because he exists" freebie if the resulting article has to to rely on primary sources and non-substantive namechecks of his mere existence for sourcing. He has to be the subject of substantive coverage of him in reliable sources to get a standalone BLP on here, but the sourcing present in this article doesn't even approach the suburbs of the type of sourcing it takes to get an article. If you want this article to be kept, you'll get a lot farther by actually investing time in fixing the sourcing than you will by simply repasting the same comment in this discussion over and over again. Bearcat ( talk) 15:01, 2 December 2015 (UTC) reply

Ok thanks but I wasn't trying to vote again. Rather I thought that this being the last relist, I wasn't sure if It would be viewed individually so I put it in again. When I mentioned "quoted on many occasions", I meant that in different areas, medical, legal etc, I was trying to give an idea of the different fields he is referred to. There are a few! There are a good deal of secondary and third party sources for Doig. Yes there are more out there. But thanks for the pointer. As for repasting the same comment over and over again. I've only done it once and that's all I ever intended to do as this I the last relist of the discussion. Thanks. I will be expanding the article with what I come across in due course and always aim to improve. Karl Twist ( talk) 15:03, 4 December 2015 (UTC) reply

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