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The result was delete with the option to draftify if anyone wishes to work on it. Vanamonde ( Talk) 14:54, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
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This article was originally considered as part of the clean-up of Iranian "company towns", but removed from the list due to the additional sourcing. The issue here is that it is not clear at all whether the sources are referring to the same place. The census just refers to "Defense Industry Complex, Isfahan" as a refernce-point for counting the people around it, without it being clear what this is (part of a village? a grouping of more than one village?). On the face of it this is a WP:CORP.
The additional sources are:
- neshan.org, which appears to be a wiki-like source and thus unreliable. The location it points to is an industrial complex within a location that, based on address of other companies in the area (e.g., this, this) is called "Zayanderud". This is the name of a local river and thus not a surprising name for the actual location.
- A one-sentence news story on https://sahebnews.ir/ dated 24 May 2014 about the burial of "martyrs" in a place called Shahid Namjoo Industrial City. Nothing indicates that this is the same place as "Defense Industry Complex, Isfahan". Not sigcov, cannot sustain a WP:GNG pass, does not show evidence of legal recongition for a WP:GEOLAND#1 pass.
- A imna.ir
news story about the burial of an unknown "martyr" at "Zarin Khodro industry in Zarin Shahr, located in the Defense Industries of Lanjan region". Nothing indicates that this site is the same as the previously-mentioned sites. The real town discussed here appears to be
Zarrin Shahr, a place we already have an article about, and this is just a factory complex located within it. The date of the news story is February 1396 (i.e., 2018) so it is not the same story as the one-sentence story above.
What we have here are four different sources referring to four different things (or at least nothing saying that these are the same things) none of which are clearly WP:GNG, WP:CORP, or WP:GEOLAND#1 passes. FOARP ( talk) 11:49, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Iran. FOARP ( talk) 11:49, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Previously deleted via WP:PROD, ineligible for soft deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗ plicit 12:34, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - as there are some citations to confirm its existence. We should keep it. I believe that geographic locations can be kept with minimal citations, but I am unable to find the actual policy to refer to. Lovewiki106 ( talk) 02:28, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - Citations confirming it exists are not enough to establish notability. Per
WP:NBUILDING
The inclusion of a man-made geographical feature on maps or in directories is insufficient to establish topic notability.
Notability is not established in this case. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 20:27, 24 August 2022 (UTC)- @
Sirfurboy: in this case I believe Lovewiki106 is actually referring to
WP:GEOLAND - it's not (just) a commercial development but would be more of an inhabited location in the company town sense. Geoland does use a much lower threshold.
Nosebagbear (
talk)
14:30, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
- You may be right - WP:NBUILDING may not be the most appropriate as this complex is clearly sizeable, but still it would come under commercial developments (for some sense of 'commercial') which would be WP:NBUILDING. But regardless of what it is, the question is whether there is anything notable here. I found 3 mentions in sources and some web hits. As I said, these confirm existence but nothing I have found describes it in detail. Yet perhaps an article could be written about it. I have not found enough for a notable article yet, but that does not mean it is impossible. What is clear, however, is that the page asis does not seem to know what it is about. Per the nom, the 4 sources say 4 different things, and the very brief information on the page appears to be in error. If nothing else, I think this one needs WP:TNT. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 17:30, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
- @
Sirfurboy: in this case I believe Lovewiki106 is actually referring to
WP:GEOLAND - it's not (just) a commercial development but would be more of an inhabited location in the company town sense. Geoland does use a much lower threshold.
Nosebagbear (
talk)
14:30, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
- This is a census tract, isn’t it? Covering the military industrial complex near Isfahan. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 15:14, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:43, 25 August 2022 (UTC)
- Draftify This seems to be somewhat notable, but the article itself is in no apropriate condition as of now. Thus, it can be reworked.
Handmeanotherbagofthemchips (
talk)
15:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
- I think draftify is a sensible alternative to deletion too. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 15:31, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment - Can anyone !voting keep/draftify explain why and how this is supposed to be notable? "It Exists" is a well-known fallacy, and as explained above it is not clear that the thing described in the sources is either the same thing, or the thing discussed in the article. It is not clear how this is supposed to meet WP:GEOLAND#1 since it is not clear that this is not just a factory so simply invoking WP:GEOLAND#1 is not sufficient. There is no WP:NBUILDING or WP:NCORP pass made out here because there is no significant coverage.
- As an alternative to keeping I am prepared to accept draftification, primarily because I think it will just end up with this article being deleted under WP:G13 after six months. FOARP ( talk) 14:53, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. I am plumping down on the side of delete here. My thinking is as the title is derived from a census, it is a census tract and I do not think we regard census tracts as being notable. Certainly, there are no substantive sources about a place with this title. I'm aware that it has been said that it has an alternative name of 'Shahid Namjoo' but without good sources saying so, this is OR. If substantive sources exist for 'Shahid Namjoo' then an article can be created for 'Shahid Namjoo' (but it needs more than a news story about burials). Zarin Shahr (and the nearby steel mills) is readily found on Google maps and we have an article on it; I see no sources that connect 'Zarin Shahr' to the name 'Defense Industry Complex' or to 'Shahid Namjoo'. -- Malcolmxl5 ( talk) 20:32, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
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