- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus. Consensus to keep is less than overwhelming, but there are some sources, and there is certainly no consensus to delete. Drmies ( talk) 03:14, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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Initially I was thinking that this article may be salvagable, but reading it through, almost all of the citations, even those critical of Wolfe, are to blogs, his own websites and or commercial sites. I think it's best if we WP:BLOWITUP and start over, if reliable sources can be found that establish this guy as notable. SarrCat ∑;3 03:01, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Retain While we are not here to promote Wolfe, he and his ideas are notable. Less-than-ideal sourcing is only a problem on Wikipedia where we choose to make it an issue. One of the major weaknesses of Wikipedia is this tendency to delete and/or marginalize the alternative or unconventional. Regards, Glacier2009 ( talk) 03:13, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note that I am perfectly willing to help improve this article if I can find reliable sources, my proposal for deletion is merely because the article is currently such a mishmash of bad sourcing, that I was thinking deleting it and starting over may well be a better course of action. SarrCat ∑;3 03:32, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 17:45, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Conspiracy theories-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 17:45, 18 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep per the significant coverage in
reliable sources.
- Rawson, Sharnee (2013-05-22).
"Raw ambition". Nationwide News Pty Limited (
News Corp). Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
From http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapid=22239265:A star of the super foods world, David Wolfe is on a global mission
"Growing your own food is an amazing idea - it's like printing money"
Fat makes us fat, dairy is essential for healthy bones, and wheat-based carbs should be the main component of our daily diets - these are just some of the nutritional "truths" coming under increasing scrutiny.
Questioning the mainstream is nothing new to David Wolfe, the American raw food advocate who has spent 20 years telling women to eat more chocolate. Born in New York and now living in LA, David, 42, is probably the world's most famous raw foodie. Australians are about to witness his ability to whip audiences into a frenzy over something as simple as eating an orange.
Nailing down exactly what David - who gave up legal studies to pursue nutrition - does is tricky. He is the author of eight books on superfoods and nutrition, runs a cacao orchard and raw chocolate company, and takes adventure tours around the globe. While in Australia this month and next, he'll lead a raw food retreat in Kakadu and chair conferences in state capitals.
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- Dengate, Cayla (2011-02-22).
"Raw talent".
mX. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
Healthy living advocate David Wolfe balances the wild side with the mild side, as CAYLA DENGATE reports
Who would take health advice from a guy who eats powdered yams and thinks chocolate should be bitter?
Woody Harrelson, for one. And he's not alone.
Superfood crusader David Wolfe is in Australia, holding workshops on raw food, healthy chocolate and living well.
The American dietitian lives on a farm called Noni Land in Hawaii, surrounded by vegan warrior workers who tend to exotic plants he's collected from South America, Asia and Europe.
When Harrelson needed to shape up for Rampart, he asked Wolfe for a hand.
- Skidmore, Sarah (2005-06-04).
"Raw-food fervor starting to sprout: Nature's First Law is feeding followers".
The San Diego Union-Tribune. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
And at the uncooked heart of it all, are San Diego natives David Wolfe and Thor Bazler, the founders of Nature's First Law.
Together, they've created a multimillion-dollar business and source of raw gospel nationwide. Their El Cajon company sells specialty food, information and products to support living raw.
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Wolfe discovered the alternative way of eating when he attended the University of California Santa Barbara. He began experimenting with nutrition to help with his sensitivity to certain foods and eventually discovered raw eating.
He introduced his childhood friend Bazler, then known as Stephen Arlin, to the diet. The two Patrick Henry High School graduates, who had grown up across the street from each other, now swear by a 100 percent raw diet of organic, unprocessed, plant-based food.
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Ten years later, the aspirations paid off. They have 23 employees and their company is on target to exceed $6 million in revenue this year. Profits were at least $1.2 million last year, Bazler said. Popular organic retailer Whole Foods is adding Nature's First Law products to its stores.
- Stumpe, Joe (2004-04-21).
"The raw truth? Decide for yourself".
The Wichita Eagle. Archived from
the original on 2004-05-05. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
The raw food movement hasn't caught on yet in quite the same way as, say, low-carb diets and bottled water.
But I defy any food movement anywhere to produce a more colorful spokesman than David Wolfe.
Wolfe is, as he says, "a raw foodist, nudist and Buddhist." The 33-year-old Californian also stars in a reality series on the Sci-Fi Channel and plays drums in a rock band that tours the country in a vegetable oil-powered bus.
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Wolfe said his band, The Healing Waters, doesn't take itself too seriously, either. Their songs include "Raw Food Girl" (about the bass player's ex-girlfriend), "Bye Bye Burger World" and "Jonathan's the Name" (about a raw food-eating, cross-dressing biker). I told him Kirby's was a good venue for that sort of thing.
Wolfe's TV show is called "Mad Mad House" and features five "alternative lifestyle" landlords sharing a house with 10 guests vying for a $100,000 prize. Wolfe is actually pretty tame compared with the other "alts," who include a witch, a vampire and a voodoo priestess.
It was from the show's Web site, by the way, that I learned Wolfe prefers to be called by his nickname, "Avocado."
- Han, Esther (2013-05-28).
"A breath of fresh flair - raw food".
The Sydney Morning Herald. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
An American guru of all things unprocessed has seen a niche interest turn into a global movement.
David Wolfe has a habit of giving an answer the opposite of what is expected. Ask him about the neo-raw-food movement, and he describes it as "ancient, old and nothing new".
Ask the American nutritionist about the modern Western diet of refined sugars, additives and processed foods, and he replies: "The dietary chaos we're in right now is actually very good."
Let him explain: "We're finding out what doesn't work and what does. We're opening up new pathways of knowledge. Without crisis, there's no opportunity."
Wolfe is one of the world's leading proponents of raw food, advocating a lifestyle of consuming only unprocessed and uncooked food. He overhauled his diet 20 years ago, changing to raw, plant-based foods.
Raw foodism, as the movement is called, involves a diet of organic or wild foods, along with the so-called "superfoods" (see panel).
Wolfe champions superfoods such as goji berries, hemp seed and blue-green algae, which he believes have helped him sustain a busy lifestyle touring the world promoting natural and organic living.
- Fuller, Sharon (2001-11-02).
"Raw Food Diet Is Anything But Half-Baked Idea".
St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
It was standing-room only for more than 70 people recently when David Wolfe came to speak about eating raw food.
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Wolfe is author of "The Sunfood Diet Success System," which essentially details his strategies for eating only raw. He started his lecture at the Wild Oats Community market in Ladue by explaining that people will eat anything. Like the guy who once ate an airplane by grinding the parts into powder. The same guy supposedly ate a television, too.
Wolfe has been eating only raw foods for seven years. At one time, he says, he treated his body like an amusement park, meaning he ate everything from pepperoni pizza to carbonated sodas. A provocative speaker with a flawless complexion, the 31-year-old Missouri native appears to be at least a visual testament to the benefits of eating raw.
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In 1995 Wolfe and Stephen Arlin co-founded Nature's First Law Inc., which distributes books, juicers and bulk organic foods. Perhaps the ultimate indulgence would be to participate in one of the raw foods vacations that the organization sponsors. Upcoming ones will be held in India and Bali.
- Shriver, Jerry (2002-04-26).
"Healthful, raw-food trend is picking up steam".
USA Today. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
A just-released book from raw-food guru David Wolfe, Eating for Beauty (Maul Brothers Publishing, $24.95), promotes the raw-food diet as part of a wellness/beauty regimen.
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Wolfe estimates that at least 1 million people in the USA embrace some aspect of the raw-food diet, based upon traffic at various Web sites and the 100,000-plus copies of his book, The Sunfood Diet Success System, that have been sold since 1999.
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"Healthy hearts and souls".
Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. 2006-09-15. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
The IBPA said David Wolfe of Nature's First Law, an expert on raw foods, will appear 11 a.m. Saturday as part of the health and wellness fair. Wolfe is the author of "Eating for Beauty," "The Sunfood Diet Success System" and "Naked Chocolate." Nature's First Law is a distributor of books, juicers/audio/videotapes, organic beauty products, bulk organic foods and exotic raw foods.
- Oliveira, Denise (2008-04-18).
"Can chocolate help your skin?".
Cape Cod Times. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
David Wolfe, of San Diego, Calif., co-author of the book "Naked Chocolate," has gained a reputation as a raw nutrition expert and leader of a raw chocolate movement in the United States that has had rippling effects abroad.
Back in 2004, when Wolfe could not find raw cocoa beans for purchase in the United States, he started importing them from Hawaii and Ecuador through Sunfood Nutrition, a company set up to sell raw foods and related products.
"I couldn't believe the most popular food in the world, in its original form, was impossible to get," said Wolfe, 37, who has a law degree and a master's in vegan and live food nutrition from the University of Integrative Science California.
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"How To ... Use chocolate for your skin".
Seattle Post-Intelligencer. 2008-04-15. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
David Wolfe, of San Diego, co-author of the book "Naked Chocolate," has gained a reputation as a raw nutrition expert and leader of a raw chocolate movement in the United States.
According to Wolfe, raw cocoa butter delivers the essential elements of the raw cocoa to the skin, such as vitamins and anti-oxidants, because the butter consists of oils that have such small particles that they can penetrate even the smallest of pores.
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"600 Pages of raw material".
Toronto Star. 1999-12-03. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
Can't cook or don't want to be bothered? Have we got a diet for you. David Wolfe, author of The Sunfood Diet Success System (Maul Bros. Publishing, $29.95), hasn't eaten cooked food in five years. He eats only organic, raw, vegetarian food. Or, in the words of his publicist, Sequoia Neptune, Wolfe is promoting "raw plant-food-based lifestyles." In the 600-page volume you'll find the Gall Bladder Flush: Fast 3 days on raw fresh apple juice; on day 4, at 3 p.m., break the fast with 8 oz. of cold-pressed olive oil; follow with 8 oz. of freshly squeezed lemon juice.
- Herrmann, Andrew (2008-10-18).
"City in a garden gets an orchard - 24 trees may yield fruit by next year".
Chicago Sun-Times. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
The orchard was a donation from Absolut vodka under the direction of the Fruit Tree Planting Foundation, a San Diego-based charity that aims to plant 18 billion fruit trees across the world.
The foundation was started by David Wolfe, a raw food guru and best-selling author.
- Takahama, Valerie (1999-04-23).
"The Raw Deal – Health. Practitioners say eating uncooked fruits, vegetables and grains raises their energy and improves their lives".
Orange County Register. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
On Monday, there were dueling raw-food gatherings, with the charismatic raw-food firebrand David Wolfe speaking at the Living Lighthouse at the same time that Brian Clement, director of the venerable Hippocrates Health Institute in West Palm Beach, Fla.,and Nomi Shannon, author of "The Raw Gourmet," held forth at O2.
- Davenport, Kristen (2005-08-07).
"Some Like It Raw ..."
The Santa Fe New Mexican. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
As if it weren't enough that chocolate tastes good.
Now raw food guru David Wolfe says it's good for you, too.
Wolfe, whose book Naked Chocolate was released in April, says all you have to do is eat chocolate in its natural form: raw, untreated, naked cacao.
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Wolfe, 34, has been eating 100-percent raw foods for 11 years. Author of The Sunfood Diet Success System, he teaches across the United States, Canada, Europe and the South Pacific, following an annual tour of classes and speaking events. When he's not traveling, Wolfe lives in California, where he tutors celebrities such as Alicia Silverstone and Woody Harrelson on the raw-food diet.
Wolfe stopped by Albuquerque last year on a national tour to promote raw chocolate; he might swing by the Land of Enchantment next year, too, he says.
- Bain, Jennifer (2000-11-29).
"Raw foodist awed by Toronto's bounty".
Toronto Star. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
Raw foodist David Wolfe gingerly unwraps a spiky, 4-kilogram durian and exhales with anticipation at the sight of cracks on the bottom of its thick brown shell.
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Wolfe a raw food expert and author who was in Toronto last week to speak on radical nutrition at the Whole Life Expo confesses to spending $120 (U.S.) on durian in Toronto in four days.
He lives in San Diego, where you can get fresh durian for only about one month a year. He calls durian the king of the fruit, for its balance of fat and sugar. His queen is the vitamin C and potassium-rich mangosteen. Vitamin-infused kale is the king of the veggies, while calming cucumber is the queen veggie.
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Fun for Wolfe, 30, is enjoying the work of raw chefs. The Fressen meal "was just outrageous it was so good."
He envies Torontonians for the "amazing variety of food that's here," and says there's less selection in California because of the farm lobby.
Wolfe, who stops in Toronto once a year on the global lecture circuit, indulges his fruit obsession wherever he can.
- Schroedter, Andrew (2004-04-29).
"Raw food, grease power this crew". Glencoe News. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
David Wolfe believes his raw food message has made him an enemy of big oil companies and maybe some fast-food establishments as well.
That notion may be somewhat of a stretch, but a contingent of Wolfe backers believe the California nutritionist is riding the wave of the future, using the Internet, lectures and books to communicate the health and fitness benefits derived from a strict diet of uncooked food.
Several times a year, Wolfe travels with his rock-and-roll band to places like New York City, Chicago, Pennsylvania, Kansas, Michigan, Maryland and Toronto.
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For Wolfe and his Healing Waters Band, it's more about ingesting large quantities of super foods, such as wolf berries, maca root, hemp seeds, Spirulina and bottles of oxygen water.
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Wolfe, 33, has authored two books on raw food nutrition, and leads more than 100 seminars and retreats on the topic throughout the year. Over the weekend, Wolfe came to Chicago to speak about detoxification and healthy eating.
- Griffin, John (2002-08-21).
"Uncooked food trend raises hopes, casts doubts".
San Antonio Express-News. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
David Wolfe, author of "The Sunfood Diet Success System," says that pesticides are so prevalent in our environment that "they accumulate in the tissues of animals." To eat them raw would be unnecessarily risky, he says.
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Wolfe, who has eaten only raw food for the last eight years, has positioned himself as the movement's Anthony Robbins. He no longer talks of "tortured and murdered foul rotting flesh" (Juliano's description of meat). He takes a positive approach, preferring to discuss how "educating and empowering the individual" about raw food cleanses the body and leads to greater energy and vitality.
Wolfe doesn't talk of missing cooked or processed foods. There are no references to chocolate cravings or Twinkee withdrawal. Instead, he talks of how many new foods there are to savor, such as goji berries from Tibet or cassia discs, so many items, in fact, that there's no time for cooked food.
- Beckett, Fiona (2002-08-10).
"Take the heat out of eating".
The Daily Telegraph. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
It's 7 o'clock on a cool, grey summer evening and it's standing room only in the lecture theatre of Regent's College in London. Not quite the weather for extolling the virtues of raw food, but that's what the 150-strong audience has come to hear about.
The draw is America's leading raw food guru, a slight, wild-eyed, wild-haired figure called David Wolfe. When I meet him before the lecture, he's soft-spoken, humorous, a model of restraint. On the platform he holds the audience mesmerised with an evangelistic three-hour presentation, alternately gabbling then dropping his voice to emphasise a point.
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Wolfe isn't a lone voice. There have been advocates of a diet largely based on raw foods since the beginning of the last century, when Dr Bircher-Benner set up his famous clinic in Switzerland. Raw food has also long been advocated for cancer patients. Leslie Kenton made it fashionable in the 1990s and juicing raw fruits and vegetables has taken off in the past five years.
- Rawson, Sharnee (2013-05-22).
"Raw ambition". Nationwide News Pty Limited (
News Corp). Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
A star of the super foods world, David Wolfe is on a global mission
"Growing your own food is an amazing idea - it's like printing money"
...
Questioning the mainstream is nothing new to David Wolfe, the American raw food advocate who has spent 20 years telling women to eat more chocolate. Born in New York and now living in LA, David, 42, is probably the world's most famous raw foodie. Australians are about to witness his ability to whip audiences into a frenzy over something as simple as eating an orange.
Nailing down exactly what David - who gave up legal studies to pursue nutrition - does is tricky. He is the author of eight books on superfoods and nutrition, runs a cacao orchard and raw chocolate company, and takes adventure tours around the globe. While in Australia this month and next, he'll lead a raw food retreat in Kakadu and chair conferences in state capitals.
- Krum, Sharon (2003-09-06).
"All steamed up about raw food - Food & Drink".
The Times. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
But the prize for hyperbole -and for the best non sequitur -surely goes to the Californian David Wolfe, a self-taught nutritionist and co-author of Nature's First Law: The Raw-Food Diet, who toured England in July, spreading the message: "Nietzsche said God is dead; we say, cooked food is poison!"
Addressing 200 people a night, in Leeds, Manchester, Brighton and London, Wolfe delivered his standard lesson in raw foods: heat destroys the natural enzymes in food needed for digestion, forcing your body to use its own enzymes to absorb food, he claims. This process wears the body down and accelerates disease and ageing. Raw foodies cook nothing past 46C (115F), the point at which enzymes begin to die.
Wolfe then promised the curious that, if they weaned themselves off fish and chips, milk and meat, and embraced fruit, vegetables, nuts, green foods, "superfoods" (spirulina and algae) and sprouts, their excess weight and chronic illnesses would disappear.
Articles that discuss or mention Sacred Chocolate, the company he founded:
- Thym, Jolene (2009-03-18).
"Picky Eater: Chocolate, chocolate and more chocolate".
Tri-Valley Herald. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
Ramping up for the massive affair, chocolate companies have been dumping chocolate on my desk, hoping to convince me to stop by for a chocolate-chat. I tried ethereal hot chocolate from Chocolatique, chunks of exotic chocolate from TCHO, interesting chocolate raw chocolate bars from Sacred Steve (who probably wears Birkenstocks) at Sacred Chocolate, yummy chocolate brownie truffles laced with rose petals from Serendipity Chocolates, single-origin bars from Amano, a nutty, triangular shaped truffle bar from Sterling Confections, and even some sweet Muscat wines from Quady in Madera that are perfect for sipping alongside chocolate.
- Harlib, Leslie (2008-02-13).
"IJ Weekend: Indulge your dark side with upscale chocolates".
Marin Independent Journal. Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
The article notes:
Chocolates are also going green, organic and raw. Steve Adler, whose line called Sacred Chocolate, made in San Rafael, launched in 2006, now turns out up to 15,000 bars a month. Sacred bars are made from beans (with their skins) grown in Ecuador and roasted at 114 degrees so they retain their enzymes as a raw food. The bars range in cacao content from 60 percent to 100 percent. He sweetens only with organic maple syrup. All bars are made with skin-on beans. One bar is flavored with organic black sage harvested in Marin.
Adler sees chocolate as a "super food. When it's eaten in its raw form, it's actually an appetite suppressant."
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Sacred Chocolate
1-800-628-8729, www.naturaw.com.
Founded by Fairfax resident Steve Adler in autumn 2006 and produced in San Rafael, these raw chocolate bars are made with organic, fair trade-grown cacao. They are certified vegan, kosher and halal, sweetened with organic maple syrup, not sugar. "We do something that no other chocolatier in the world is doing as far as I know - using the whole bean, including the skins," Adler says. "Our antioxidant value is through the roof." Bar flavors include Wild Amazonian jungle peanut; black sage with rose oil; Pacific Paradise with nutmeg and kava, and plain chocolate bars with cacao butter content ranging from 60 to 100 percent. Order online.
- Rawson, Sharnee (2013-05-22).
"Raw ambition". Nationwide News Pty Limited (
News Corp). Archived from
the original on 2016-03-22. Retrieved 2016-03-22.
- Delete as although informative and apparently large this article may seem, simply nothing suggests a better solidly notable article. Delete at best because none of this currently satisfies any applicable notability. Asking DGG for familiar analysis. SwisterTwister talk 05:33, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ SwisterTwister: Please note that per WP:NEXIST, "Notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article". Does your !vote consider the sources posted in this discussion?
- Delete. no possible notability, even as a crank. DGG ( talk ) 05:37, 24 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ DGG: If the subject has "no possible notability", then why have several reliable sources provided significant coverage about the subject? I have provided a consolidated /concise summary of such sources that provide significant coverage in my !vote below in this discussion. North America 1000 13:24, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: The comments from SwisterTwister and DGG fail to explain why the sources I provided above are insufficient to establish notability. The sources span newspapers from different countries: Australia (
The Sydney Morning Herald), Canada (
Toronto Star), the United Kingdom (
The Daily Telegraph and
The Times), the United States (
USA Today,
Chicago Sun-Times, and
St. Louis Post-Dispatch). The sources were published between 1999 and 2013, demonstrating sustained coverage of the subject.
Here are two book sources about the subject:
- Iacobbo, Karen; Iacobbo, Michael (2006).
Vegetarians and Vegans in America Today. Westport, Connecticut:
Greenwood Publishing Group. pp. 48–49.
ISBN
0275990168. Retrieved 2016-03-25.
The book notes:
David Wolfe, arguably the most popular promoter of raw foods in the Western world, states:
[quote]
Wolfe, who has eaten an all-raw foods diet since 1995, recommends that most people should eat 80 percent raw organic food "because that is easy to do for most people and is, in fact, good enough." The king of raw has made it his mission to "make raw-food nutrition an option for anyone on the planet." He has two Web sites—www.rawfood.com and www.davidwolfe.com—and several books (Naked Chocolate, Eating for Beauty, The Sunfood Diet Success System), and has made numerous television and radio appearances, and public lectures.
A May 2, 2005, appearance on Coast-to-Coast AM radio exposed Wolfe to about 15 millions, resulting in a flood of hits to his Web sites and spreading recognition.
- Goldstein, Myrna Chandler; Goldstein, Mark A. (2009).
Food and Nutrition Controversies Today: A Reference Guide. Westport, Connecticut:
ABC-CLIO. pp. 200–201.
ISBN
0313354030. Retrieved 2016-03-25.
The book notes:
In an interview published in 2003 in Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, David Wolfe, one of the leaders in the world of raw foodists, said that during his childhood he ate everything. Meat, cheese, bread, fast food, and homemade food were all part of his diet. By the age of eighteen, Wolfe could no longer tolerate dairy products, so he stopped consuming them. Almost immediately, he "lost ten pounds, felt lighter, could think clearer, and instantly ended a lifetime of ear trouble."
Soon, Wolfe began a quest to learn more about nutrition. He also started juicing and eating organic foods. Eventually, Wolfe became a vegetarian, and by the time he was twenty-four, he "was on a totally organic, raw-food diet." Wolfe is now devoted to educating others about the importance of proper nutrition, lecturing, writing books, and running a number of raw food-related businesses.
- Iacobbo, Karen; Iacobbo, Michael (2006).
Vegetarians and Vegans in America Today. Westport, Connecticut:
Greenwood Publishing Group. pp. 48–49.
ISBN
0275990168. Retrieved 2016-03-25.
Cunard ( talk) 06:43, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- Comment. While I think he is probably notable and quite possibly an utter charlatan, I also think that virtually all of what is in the article at present needs to go, so perhaps we should delete it per WP:TNT and start again based on reliable sources. I'm not even convinced that he is a nutritionist, which surely requires qualifications? -- Michig ( talk) 07:46, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. None of this passes the ten-year test. Notability derived from Coast-to-Coast AM radio is far from scholarly. Please note that I (had no prior knowledge of Wolf and) tried to clean up this article and find reliable sources for a few days before making this vote. Kyle (talk) 17:25, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ Khamar: There's no "ten-year test" to demonstrate notability on Wikipedia. Please read WP:NTEMP, where it states that "notability is not temporary; once a topic has been the subject of "significant coverage" in accordance with the general notability guideline, it does not need to have ongoing coverage." North America 1000 07:45, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- This notability is Recentism. I agree that even diet fads can be notable, but I suspect a higher standard applies here. My vote is in favor of balance and historical perspective. There is no rush, history will determine a proper place for this article. Additional editor comments and proper sources will resolve the issue. Kyle (talk) 01:32, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
- I support an overhaul of article sourcing and layout, or deleting and starting over with different sources. Cunard has demonstrated credible, reliable sources to establish notability. Let's not make Wolfe the issue; even if we don't like or agree with him, he is notable. Glacier2009 ( talk) 20:12, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep(a cautious keep) He is notable enough for a Wikipedia page. BUT I think that probably starting over with the most notable citations, then see where that gets us. I did not look in detail at Cunard's citations, so bow to others wisdom if they did look them over. I'm not sure who volunteered to rewrite this page, but I call "not it". Sgerbic ( talk) 03:16, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Keep and copy edit – The subject passes WP:BASIC. Here's some of the sources listed above and from the article that serve to denote that the subject has received significant coverage in reliable sources: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. Some of the delete !votes above come across as possibly basing notability upon subjective standards, rather than WP:N. North America 1000 07:05, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. North America 1000 07:14, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note. The Union-Tribune source found by NA confirms no qualification in nutrition, so if kept the title needs to be changed. You don't become a nutritionist by pushing diets. -- Michig ( talk) 07:35, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- @ Michig: This source refers to the subject as a nutritionist: "the nutritionist and best-selling author ...". North America 1000 07:52, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Well...it seems that in some countries anyone can call themselves a nutritionist, but yes, sources support it. I still think some other disambiguation may be more appropriate. -- Michig ( talk) 14:23, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Relisting comment: A large number of potential sources have been presented, but not widely accepted. Despite the significant discussion to date, if I had to close this today, it would be as NC. I think it's worth keeping the discussion open another week to see if we can get better clarity on what kinds of sources we're looking for, and why the ones presented do or do not meet that standard. -- RoySmith (talk) 13:20, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 13:20, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: I am fine with renaming the article "David Wolfe (raw foodist)." I merely called him a "nutritionist" because the previous article "raw foodist" was deleted. Glacier2009 ( talk) 15:08, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- keep - a reasonable article about a notable crank. - üser:Altenmann >t 16:13, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 22:42, 27 March 2016 (UTC)
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