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The result was redirect to Panjab University, Chandigarh. Emerge away the sourced material Spartaz Humbug! 12:12, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
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This article had been nominated for merging with Panjab University, Chandigarh. However, when I started to carry out the merge, I could find no reference to this Centre or any similarly named Centre at the target page. Checking the University's web page http://puchd.ac.in/faculties.php I could also find no reference to such a Centre. The current page provides no independent sources, and I could not find any in a search. Even the website provided at the article is a dead link. So nothing in the article is verified. A Google search found a few mentions at non-reliable sources such as blogs, suggesting there may once have been such a department. If there ever was, it apparently no longer exists. Since nothing is verified and the proposed target page does not mention it, I believe a redirect/merge would be inappropriate. The Centre never was notable or verified, so WP:NOTTEMPORARY doesn't apply. MelanieN ( talk) 15:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- Delete no reliable sources available to build a vericyable article from. ~ KvnG 17:43, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. MelanieN ( talk) 19:30, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. MelanieN ( talk) 19:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 00:59, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
@ MelanieN: See Points to note while debating in WikiProject India related AFDs
- Thank you for the link to the essay. Lack of independent reliable sources is one thing; that might be excused. But a department of a university should at least be mentioned at the website of the university it is supposedly a part of! The university website I linked to above is quite comprehensive. It lists all of the departments and schools and centres and other subdivisions of the university. It does NOT list this centre. There is literally no evidence that such a department exists. So I believe it would be inappropriate to merge it; there is nothing verified to merge, and the university we would merge it to does not acknowledge its existence. --
MelanieN (
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17:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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MelanieN: It do exist see
[1] and even there is a book named Ecological Basis of Agroforestry by Daizy Rani Batish, Ravinder Kumar Kohli, Shibu Jose, Harminder Pal Singh which mentions about this see
here
CutestPenguin
Hangout
17:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- Hmmm! You think "Department of Environment Studies" is a new name for this centre? That's possible - although I notice that the founder and director of the Center, Ravindra Kumar Kohli, is not a current faculty member in the Department. [2] In any case, a redirect from the current title would be unhelpful and inappropriate. I suppose we could change the name of this article to "Department of Environment Studies, Panjab University" and then redirect. However, since most universities have a Department of Environment Studies, I don't really see the point of a redirect. This is not some noteworthy "Centre" but merely one of dozens of departments at the university, and a small one at that. -- MelanieN ( talk) 18:07, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
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MelanieN: It do exist see
[1] and even there is a book named Ecological Basis of Agroforestry by Daizy Rani Batish, Ravinder Kumar Kohli, Shibu Jose, Harminder Pal Singh which mentions about this see
here
CutestPenguin
Hangout
17:42, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for the link to the essay. Lack of independent reliable sources is one thing; that might be excused. But a department of a university should at least be mentioned at the website of the university it is supposedly a part of! The university website I linked to above is quite comprehensive. It lists all of the departments and schools and centres and other subdivisions of the university. It does NOT list this centre. There is literally no evidence that such a department exists. So I believe it would be inappropriate to merge it; there is nothing verified to merge, and the university we would merge it to does not acknowledge its existence. --
MelanieN (
talk)
17:02, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- Merge
KeepGenerally recognized degree awarding institutions are considered to be notable but in this case a merger will be alright. CutestPenguin Hangout 16:19, 9 September 2014 (UTC) - Delete. Seems to be simply a department of a larger institution. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:12, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
- Comment • The most important question, was if it exist, well it do exist as I mentioned above one of Google/Book link which is sufficient to prove its existence. CutestPenguin Hangout 02:58, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, that link is pretty good evidence that it did exist in 2008. --
MelanieN (
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03:07, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
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MelanieN: It fits perfectly under History section of
Panjab University, Chandigarh, don't you think so? —
CutestPenguin
Hangout
16:22, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- I looked at the history section, which is one paragraph long and is focused very broadly on the history and development of the entire university. Personally I think the short-term (maybe 10 years?) existence of a small, barely-sourced Centre (about which nothing is verified except that it did exist in 2008) is too trivial to mention in the history of a huge university like this. Others may feel differently. -- MelanieN ( talk) 16:30, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- Another thought: rather than cluttering up the history, we could put "(formerly the Centre for Environmental and Vocational Studies)" after the listing for "Department of Environment Studies" in the list of departments. However, we have no evidence that the current department was once the Centre; as I noted above, the faculty is different. I still favor deletion, without a redirect, because of the lack of any verified information about the Centre, as well as nothing indicating a relationship to the current Department. -- MelanieN ( talk) 16:35, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
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MelanieN: It fits perfectly under History section of
Panjab University, Chandigarh, don't you think so? —
CutestPenguin
Hangout
16:22, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, that link is pretty good evidence that it did exist in 2008. --
MelanieN (
talk)
03:07, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 12:01, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
- Merge. The discussion above has me convinced it would be a good compromise. Bearian ( talk) 13:06, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica 1000 17:12, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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