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The above-captioned article was created and, most importantly, deleted numerous times on a number of wikis (e.g.
fr
it, sv, de, pt) some time last year (non-notable). It also was the subject of massive sockpuppetry and spamming, particularly on :fr (see
fr:Wikipedia:Vandalisme de longue durée/Mmbmmmbm for a detailed list and background story).
The article was lately re-pushed by
Luoguozhang, who
pretended to be editing from China. Well, a CU showed that
it is not really the case, and the user was
banned (again) both here and on fr. Then there was the off-wiki
legal threat yesterday against the French admin who dealt with the AfD request. If this article gets deleted, I think it would help everyone that re-creation be blocked for the foreseeable future (this has been going on for a year now).
There has also been a submission to
Planet maths with one of the references being... Wikipedia. The matter was reported to
project maths but after initial acknowlegement that there were some papers out there the discussion forked into the massive sockpuppettry issue. Thus, I'm putting this back onto the AfD track.
This is not about the reality of these polynomials (which exist by the
truckload) but rather the aggressive self-promotion of otherwise non-noted, non particularly notable work. Oops forgot to sign, thx A.R.
Popo le Chien
throw a bone 16:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
reply
Manually fixed nomination about 15 minutes ago. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC) reply
Mr JackSmith, as you are the single voter to clearly honestly and independently take position: (10 independent, peer reviewed articles, published in reliable, scholarly journals without the likelihood of fraud are clearly sufficient to establish notability of a mathematical concept) , and in refernce to your own confirmation : we give you the scoop of th 30 and not 10 independent, peer reviewed articles -take your time to verify each one , one by one...!!!<ad by your honour...none dare lying to you...>
1. " ENHANCEMENT OF PYROLYSIS SPRAY PERFORMANCE USING THERMAL TIME-RESPONSE TO PRECURSOR UNIFORM DEPOSITION ", European Physical Journal-Applied Physics, EPJAP , Vol. 37 pp.105-109 (2007).
2. " A CONTINUOUS SOLUTION TO HEAT EQUATION USING COMBINED DIRICHLET-NEWMAN BOUNDARY CONDITIONS - CASE OF SPRAY PYROLYSIS TECHNIQUE DEPOSITED NON-UNIFORM LAYER ", Journal of Energy heat and Mass transfer, Vol. 29(1) pp. 13-25 (2007).
3. " A STURM-LIOUVILLE SHAPED CHARACTERISTIC DIFFERENTIAL EQUATION AS A GUIDE TO ESTAB-LISH A QUASI-POLYNOMIAL EXPRESSION TO THE BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS ", Journal of Differential Equations and C.P. Vol. 2, pp. 117-133 (2007).
4. " ON MODIFIED BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS: SOME DIFFERENTIAL AND ANALYTICAL PROPERTIES OF THE NEW POLYNOMIALS ISSUED FROM AN ATTEMPT FOR SOLVING BI-VARIED HEAT EQUATION ", Journal of Trends in Applied Science Research, Vol. 2(6) pp. 540-544 (2007).
5. " THE BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS, A NEW FUNCTION CLASS FOR SOLVING BI-VARIED SECOND ORDER DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS ", F. E. Journal of Applied Mathematics, Vol.31(3) pp. 299 - 320 (2008).
6. " ESTABLISHMENT OF AN ORDINARY GENERATING FUNCTION AND A CHRISTOFFEL-DARBOUX TYPE FIRST-ORDER DIFFERENTIAL EQUATION FOR THE HEAT EQUATION RELATED BOUBAKER-TURKI POLYNOMIALS ", Journal of Differential Equations and C.P. Vol. 1 pp. 51-66 (2008).
7. “ A SOLUTION TO BLOCH NMR FLOW EQUATIONS FOR THE ANALYSIS OF HOMODYNAMIC FUNCTIONS OF BLOOD FLOW SYSTEM USING M-BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS ", International Journal of Current Applied Physics, Vol. 9 (1), pp. 278-283 (2009).
8. " HEAT TRANSFER SRAY MODEL: AN IMPROVED THERMAL – TIME RESPONSE TO UNIFORM LAYER DEPOSIT USING BESSEL AND BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS ", International Journal of Current Applied Physics, Volume 9, Issue 3, May 2009, Pages 622-624
9. " AN ATTEMPT TO SOLVE THE HEAT TRANSFER EQUATION IN A MODEL OF PYROLYSIS SPRAY USING 4q-ORDER m-BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS ", Int. Journal of Heat and Technology, Vol.26(1) pp. 49-53 (2008).
10. " ESTABLISHMENT OF A HOMOGENEOUS CHARACTERISTIC DIFFERENTIAL EQUATION FOR THE APPLIED PHYSICS CANONICAL FORMULATIONS-RELATED BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS ", Journal of Analysis and Computation, Accepted, Vol. 4(2) In Press (2008).
11. " INVESTIGATION OF THERMAL DIFFUSIVITY-MICROHARDNESS CORRELATION EXTENDED TO SURFACE-NITRURED STEEL USING BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS EXPANSION ", Modern Physics Letters B, Volume: 22, Issue: 29 (2008) pp. 2893 – 2907
12. " A BOUBAKER-TURKI POLYNOMIALS SOLUTION TO PANCREATIC ISLET BLOOD FLOW BIOPHYSICAL EQUATIONS IN THE CASE OF A PRESET MONITORED SPATIAL ROTATING FIELD", Research & Reviews in BioSciences ٍVolume 2, (1)pp. 78-81 (2008).
13. " ESTABLISHMENT OF A GENERATING FUNCTION AND A CHEBYSHEV DEPENDENT INHOMOGENEOUS SECOND ORDER DIFFERENTIAL EQUATION FOR THE HEAT EQUATION RELATED m-BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS ", International Journal of Applications and Applied Mathematics (AAM) , Vol. 3, No. 2 (December 2008) pp. 329 – 336
14. " A NEW POLYNOMIAL SEQUENCE AS A GUIDE TO NUMERICAL SOLUTIONS FOR APPLIED-PHYSICS-RELATED PARTIAL DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS UNDER DIRICHLET-NEWMAN-TYPE EXOGENOUS BOUNDARY CONDITIONS ", Numerical Methods for Partial Differential Equations NMPDE, DOI: 10.1002/num.20374, Accepted: 2 April , Published Online: 10 Jul, 008 (2008).
15. " A NEW ANALYTIC EXPRESSION AS A GUIDE TO ESTABLISH A CHARACTERISTIC DIFFERENTIAL EQUATION TO THE HEAT EQUATION-RELATED BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS ", International Journal of Applied Mathematics , Vol.21 No. 2 pp. 171-177 (2008).
16. " A BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS SOLUTION TO HEAT EQUATION FOR MONITORING A3 POINT EVOLUTION DURING RESISTANCE SPOT WELDING ", International Journal of Heat and Technology, 26(2) (2008) pp. 141-146.
17. "A DYNAMICAL MODEL FOR INVESTIGATION OF A3 POINT MAXIMAL SPATIAL EVOLUTION DURING RESISTANCE SPOT WELDING USING BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS", European Physical Journal-Applied Physic, EPJAP , Vol. 44, 317-322 (2008)
18. " NEW TERNARY COMPOUNDS STOECHIOMETRY-LINKED THERMAL BEHAVIOUR OPTIMISATION USING BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS ", Journal of Alloys and Compounds, Accepted: 18 September (2008); DOI:10.1016/j.jallcom.2008.09.148
19. " STUDY OF TEMPERATURE 3D PROFILE DURING WELD HEATING PHASE USING BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS EXPANSION ", Thermochimica acta, Volume 482, Issues 1-2, (15 January 2009) 8-11
20. "MORPHOLOGICAL AND THERMAL PROPERTIES OF -SnS2 SPRAYED FILMS USING BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS EXPANSION", Journal of Alloys and Compounds, Accepted: 2 October (2008).
22. "LIMIT AND UNIQUENESS OF THE BOUBAKER-ZHAO POLYNOMIALS SINGLE IMAGINARY ROOT SEQUENCE", International Journal of Mathematics and Computation Vol. 1, No. N09, (2008) 13–16
23. " ESTABLISHMENT OF A GENERATING FUNCTION AND A CHEBYSHEV-LIKE DIFFERENTIAL EQUATION FOR THE HEAT EQUATION RELATED M-BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS ", Bulletin of Pure and Applied Mathematics Accepted: 28 July (2008) To appear in Vol. 3, No.1, June 2009.
24. " THE OPTOTHERMAL EXPANSIVITY: A BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS EXPANSION-RELATED PAPRAMETER FOR OTIMIZING PV-T HYBRID SOLAR CELLS FUNCTIONAL MATERIALS", Functional Materials Letter Accepted: 30 October (2008).
25. " EXPERIMENTAL AND THEORETICAL COOLING VELOCITY PROFILE INSIDE LASER WELDED METALS USING KEYHOLE APPROXIMATION AND BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS EXPANSION ", Journal of Thermal Analysis and Calorimetry , Accepted Jan. 2009, Ref: No. JTAC-D-08-00021R1
26. " A SOLUTION THE HEAT TRANSFER EQUATION INSIDE HYDROGEN CRYOGENIC VESSELS USING BOUBAKER-ZHAO POLYNOMIALS ", Cryogenics, Paper N° CRYOGENICS-D-08-00142, Accepted (2008).
27. " SOME NEW PROPERTIES OF THE APPLIED-PHYSICS RELATED BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS , Journal of Differential Equations and C.P. Volume 1 (2009) pp.7-19.
28. " THE 3D AMLOUK-BOUBAKER EXPANSIVITY-ENERGY GAP-VICKERS HARDNESS ABACUS: A NEW TOOL FOR OTIMIZING SEMICONDUCTOR THIN FILM MATERIALS", Materials Letters Accepted: Jan 21 (2009). [1]
29. " ON THE EARLIEST DEFINITION OF THE BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS IN THE PAPER: ENHANCEMENT OF PYROLYSIS SPRAY DISPOSAL PERFORMANCE USING THERMAL TIME-RESPONSE TO PRECURSOR UNIFORM DEPOSITION (COMMENT)", European Physical Journal-Applied Physic, EPJAP , Accepted: Jan 19(2009). [2]
30. " LEGENDRE, BESSEL AND BOUBAKER POLYNOMIALS THEORETICAL EXPRESSIONS OF LOW TEMPERATURE PROFILE IN A PYROLYSIS SPRAY MODEL: CASE OF GAUSSIAN DEPOSITED LAYER ", Modern Physics Letters B, Accepted: Dec.29 (2008).
Neil J. A. Sloane, Triangle read by rows of coefficients of Boubaker polynomial B_n(x) in order of decreasing exponentsA138034
Roger L. Bagula and Gary Adamson, Triangle of coefficients of Recursive Polynomials for Boubaker polynomials, OEIS (Encyclopedia of Integer SequencesA137276
Roger L. Bagula, Triangle of coefficients of Boubaker recursive polynomials with even powers transformed as x->Sqrt[y]A137289 Neil J. A. Sloane and R. J. Mathar, Irregular triangle read by rows of coefficients of Boubaker polynomial B_n(x) in order of decreasing exponents A135936
S. Slama. A Boubaker Polynomials Solution to Heat Equation for Monitoring A3 Point Evolution During Resistance Spot Welding,. International Journal of Heat and Technology [ISSN: 0392-8764, by EDIZIONI ETS] Volume 26(2) (2008) pages:141-146.
Roger L. Bagula, Differentiation of:A135929 Triangle read by rows: row n gives coefficients of Differential Boubaker polynomial P(x,n) in order of decreasing exponents, A136255
A. Bannour, Triangle read by rows: row n gives coefficients of the modified Boubaker polynomial mB_n(X) in order of decreasing exponents, OEIS (Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences), A138476A138476
Roger L. Bagula, Integral form of A135929 :Triangle read by rows: row n gives coefficients of Integral form of Boubaker polynomial B_n(x) in order of decreasing exponentsA136256
J. Ganouchi. A attempt to solve the heat transfer equation in a model of pyrolysis spray using 4q-order m-Boubaker polynomials. International Journal of Heat and Technology [ISSN: 0392-8764, by EDIZIONI ETS] Volume: 26 (2008) pages: 49-53.
Ting Gang-Zhao, B. Ben Mahmoud, M. A. Toumi, O. P. Faromika, M. Dada, O. B. Awojoyogbe, J. Magnuson and F. Lin (2009). Some new Properties of the Applied-physics Related Boubaker Polynomials. Differential Equations and Control Processes 1. Ting ganZ ( talk) 22:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC) — Ting ganZ ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
In fact, if there are problems linked to sockpuppetry, racism, xenophobia, extra-wiki problems, they might be solved away from this frame.
Any one can ‘say ‘ these polynomials are not notable , but WIKIPEDIA has an expressive, written and clear rule for that!! (see the passage from http:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_Notability of special functions)
Examples Polynomials, Mathematical identities etc.
The questions to ask (for NOTABILITY) are:
1. Have they been the main subject of (at least two) published papers, or chapters in a book, or an entire book about this sequence?
2. Are they cited in MathWorld or PlanetMath ?
3. Are they cited in in the Online Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences (OEIS)?
4. Do they have a demonstrated (and/or) published expression?
An affirmative answer to one these questions indicates that the polynomials or mathematical identities are notable for Wikipedia to have an article about it.
So, any contributer should first answer to the simple question: Do these polynomials respond to these (above 1. 2. 3. &4) written rule of notability ??
As long as the AFD is about notability, any extra debate should be held out of this scientific field. i e. for merging, the article is enough long ans self-standing, and merging it with Chebyshev (because there is a link) will lead to merging Dickson , Lucas an tens of other polynomials. Since the debate is about notability, this issue in not adequate ( i.e. if notability is not established, how to merge ??) Ting ganZ ( talk) 22:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC) reply
The following section which explains the links to other polynomials has been erased from the article (by user:Arthur Rubin,24h earlier with the mention WRONG !!!)
The same user DELETED yestrday a part of other pages that refers to the article. In such way, users will be wrongly informed. Moreover,discrediting OEIS as a source of notability, although one could make a good case for absence from OEIS being a good source for absence of notability is equivalent to discrediting eminent and world-wide known and awarded scientists who worked on boubaker polynomials (i.e. Neil J. A. Sloane,A. Bannour... see refernces above)
user:Arthur Rubin is doing his best to discretise the Boubaker polynomials (up to descretise internationnaly recognized institutions and to recall???? a discussion at WT:MATH where OEIS was discredited ), that is his right, but things must be carried out in respect to WP rules and scientist's reputation. Ting ganZ ( talk) 07:23, 13 February 2009 (UTC) reply
Some hits could give answer to this :
---To the question :“Have they been the main subject of (at least two) published papers, or chapters in a book, or an entire book about this sequence?
The answer is :
In Science-direct (20 hits, only peer reviewed publications) [6]
In Google Scholar (17 hits, only peer reviewed publications, oppositely to 7 as it was wrongly confirmed by the AFD nominator Popo_Le_Chien) ) (20 hits, only peer reviewed publications) [7]
---To the question: Are they cited in MathWorld or PlanetMath ? The answer is :
In PlanetMath (3 pages, with no-mention of WIKEPEDIA !! , oppositely to what ‘informed’ the AFD nominator Popo_Le_Chien) [8]
---To the question :Are they cited in the Online Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences (OEIS)? The answer is :
17 hits for Dickson Polynomials [9]
13 hits for Boubaker Polynomials [10]
---To the question :Do they have a demonstrated (and/or) published expression?
The answer is : Yes see the article itself. Gilles mecrire ( talk) 09:10, 13 February 2009 (UTC) — Gilles mecrire ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
if in his mind the relations:
are TRIVIAL
What about the relation that defines Dickson Polinomials
One must be aware about what one says; otherwise it will be felt, that (in good faith) anythig is Ok for banning this page???
Edwarddd ( talk) 11:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC) — Edwarddd ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Acoording to the whole discussion and the deep advise of User GillesC, two major issues are confirmed:
... The polynomial first pretender is a bad guy (as long as he never tried to prove the opposite)
... The polynomials are notable according to WP rules.
As the vocation of WP is not to punish evil, to associate the bad acts of a person who did not contribute to this page, to the outcome of this page is sipmly abusive. PS. If any opposite vote is banned or blocked , it won't be a discussion.
I helped by shifting contested references to 'Additional reading' and refreshing the remaining ones in a neutral way, with no-link to the controversial fellows 'Boubaker'and 'Ben Mahmoud'. The new version will help the community concentrating on the AFD purpose according to Wikpedia rules. Jonespoll ( talk) 18:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC) — Jonespoll ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
PS. To Administrators: User Arthur Rubin (see above) has vandalised the project page Boubaker Polynomials twice under the reason ( Dickson Polynomials are the chebychev ones!!!???? ) WP can verify that these two Polynomials are different and even HAVE DIFFERENT PAGES IN WIKPEDIA !!!, is this user serious ???. Please prevent this UNFOUNDED vandalism JonnyHallid ( talk) 19:43, 13 February 2009 (UTC) reply
Sir Arthur Rubin, you had changed the concerned page on awrong fundament (from your own sayings) :
Dickson polynomials are Chebyshev ones !!!!
Despite You were told they HAVE DIFFERENT PAGES AT WIKIPEDIA !!! (they are historically and Mathematically different) When yo do change on this basis , when other contributors try to correct it, it is VANDALISM as the message you sent me :
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Boubaker polynomials.... may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. .... — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Now , you say publicly : If you want to add ..., I'd consider it irreleant and non-notabl?????e Why this threat??? please do not block me , it is not a war, and blocking is a sign of failure... not fair JonnyHallid ( talk) 20:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC) reply
Sir, sometimes sockpuppetry is caused by blocking abuse. This is not the case, you are not abusing and we are normal contriubutors on a shared server, and who can transmit to you any information (address telephoe ..etc) but as the edition 'war' (as you told me in the warning on the discussion page) is not balanced, you have the right to block and revert , we do not, we finally agree with you , Dickson's are Chebyshev's. But do you alllow us a restructuration of the reference section (with no change to the remaining etxt) that would, for sure, help the community to have a consensus on this page ? JonnyHallid ( talk) 21:20, 13 February 2009 (UTC) reply
Hits in the Scientific domain gave these applications (with explanation in simple English) :
--Heat transfer spray model: using Bessel and Boubaker polynomials (a thermal device)
--Temperature 3D profiling in welds (which means drawing temperature variation)
--A Boubaker polynomials (BPES)-related protocol for thin films ( a method for studying the characteristics of the sprayed materials)
--Sulfur/selenium substitution effects using (BPES) (a physical-chemical study)
--A solution to Bloch NMR flow equations using m-Boubaker polynomials (Medical application)
--Properties of β-SnS2 sprayed thin films using Boubaker polynomials (Material science)
--Stoichiometry-linked thermal behavior optimisation using Boubaker polynomials(a physical-chemical study)
There are also some Mathematical studies.
Etaittunpe (
talk) 19:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
reply
In the last line of the referred work it is clearly written that Sloan is the AUTHOR and not cateloger!!! (a bit of respect to scientist works, please ). So the mistake is user Arthur Rubin’s (none is perfect!) Hilberts ( talk) 12:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC) reply
So, in order to diminish the notability of a simple item; an old recognized Vandal (see his historics) IS ALLOWED TO ERASE A WP:EN RULE ind descretise a whole international institution ?????? with a reason evoked 5 times in the last AFD : (edited by an Arab country issued account ) ????
This irregular action is strangely endorsed by Arthur Rubin who answers to him:
Good work ( French Tourist ) !!! . For an integer sequence, I'd say it not appearing in OEIS is definitive that it is not notable, but that's just me. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:55, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
And so, OEIS is DEFINITIVELY banned (as likely in Freach WP) as a not notable source just for a purpose !!!!
It seems, as usual, that FrenchWP users are going to impose their rules to En:WP (see the last AFD where the arrival of clem and his group has deviated the regularly begun discussion.) what is the opinion of JackSchmidt?? Hilberts ( talk) 12:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC) reply
( I am also an Arab country issued account user , watching this thing from the beginning,) but please consider my opinion on the Notability, not on the 'boubaker' person. Georgesy ( talk) 13:29, 14 February 2009 (UTC) reply
Hence, a whole people is BANNED, <Range of 10 000 000 IPs!!!, like what happened in FrencWP> even those with old accounts...
For a discussion of Notability it become a discussion on rules of Noatbility , then on a person Notability, and finally on a person's RACE Notability ... it is amazing ...It must be called:
the FrenchTourist-Arthur Rubin One way Discussion (is a FRENCh:WP adminstrator !!! [14] with a long vandalism past (see the hisotrics linked to his French page [15] and see what he was considered to be !!!)
Or :
the Fr:WP conquest on En:WP (see last AFD) ... honest WP:EN administrators, be aware!!! Hilberts ( talk) 18:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC) reply
"Hits in the Scientific domain gave these applications (with explanation in simple English) : --Heat transfer spray model: using Bessel and Boubaker polynomials (a thermal device) --Temperature 3D profiling in welds (which means drawing temperature variation) --A Boubaker polynomials (BPES)-related protocol for thin films ( a method for studying the characteristics of the sprayed materials) --Sulfur/selenium substitution effects using (BPES) (a physical-chemical study) --A solution to Bloch NMR flow equations using m-Boubaker polynomials (Medical application) --Properties of β-SnS2 sprayed thin films using Boubaker polynomials (Material science) --Stoichiometry-linked thermal behavior optimisation using Boubaker polynomials(a physical-chemical study) There are also some Mathematical studies.Etaittunpe (talk) 19:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC) o Comment If they are not Notable, at least they have notable applications …" I then posted:
So far there has been no response; I therefore conclude that references are not available. This is the opinion of a non-mathematician who can hardly be accused of bias in the matter. The applications given do look reasonably notable to me. But without independent, reliable, and verifiable references they count for nothing, I'm afraid. My apologies to those who may resent an outsider sticking an oar in. I have often found that an outsider's view can be of use (if only by causing amusement at his ignorance...). Peridon ( talk) 15:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC) reply