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The result was redirect to Berenstain Bears. MBisanz talk 02:35, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
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Delete. A full source review:
- Coleco (1983). The Berenstain Bears (Atari 2600). Coleco. – primary source: not counted towards significant external coverage
- Slaton, Derek (2015). The Atari 2600 Encyclopedia Volume 1. The VGA. p. 117-120. ISBN 978-0985480578. – unreliable source: self-published
- Sittnick, Mike (December 1983). Sharpe, Roger C.; Canole, Patricia; Greenberg, Perry (eds.). "Coleco's Gemini: The Dual Purpose Game System". Video Games. Vol. 2, no. 03. Pumpkin Press. – more about the Kid Vid Voice Module (and the Coleco Gemini) than the Bears game, which I don't even see mentioned in the article
- Gander, Matt (19 July 2013). "Smurf me! It's a history of Smurf games". Games Asylum. Retrieved 24 January 2016. – unreliable source: no reputation for editorial quality
- "Smurfs 2600 Page". Atari Gaming Headquarters. Retrieved 24 January 2016. – quality is okay but coverage is a single sentence (passing mention)
- The Berenstain Bears Talking Video Game Instructions. Coleco. 1983. – primary source: not counted towards significant external coverage
- The Strong Museum of Play, "The Berenstain Bears Video Game Soundscript", 1983, Stan and Jan Berenstain Papers, The Strong Museum of Play; accessed January 28, 2016. – primary source in an archive: not counted towards significant external coverage
- Weiss, Brett (2007). Classic Home Video Games, 1972-1984: A Complete Reference Guide. McFarland & Company. p. 36. ISBN 978-0-7864-3226-4. – game has a small paragraph listing in this catalog but so does every other game from the era—source looks okay, but there is no review-like depth in this broad overview
- Herman, Leonard (1997). Phoenix: The Fall & Rise of Videogames, 2nd Edition. Rolenta Press. p. 86. ISBN 978-0964384828. – used as a supplemental text for a claim about "Kid Vid Voice Module" and not the subject: not counted towards significant external coverage of the Berenstain Bears game
- Baer, Ralph. Videogames: In the Beginning. Rolenta Press. ISBN 978-0964384811. – used as a supplemental text for a claim about "Kid Vid Voice Module" and not the subject: not counted towards significant external coverage of the Bears game
- The Strong Museum of Play, "Kid Vid: A Applications Study", August 1990, Ralph H. Baer Papers, The Strong Museum of Play; accessed January 30, 2016. – primary source in an archive: not counted towards significant external coverage
- "Coleco Follows Atari Example". Ottawa Citizen. 15 Nov 1983. – this source is better for the Coleco article than for Bears—the game is only mentioned in passing: source not counted towards significant external coverage
In all we're left with a refcrater and not a single in-depth source. I've asked for copies of the offline sources but haven't received any (this would only matter if seeing them would conflict with my interpretation above anyway). This article topic lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources ( ?), as previously discussed on the article's talk page. It had no meaningful hits in a video game reliable sources custom Google search. The game does not appear in any notable game indices or directories of the era, nor does it have any reviews listed at MobyGames. Article creator appears to be affiliated with a Berenstain Bears fansite, but hasn't disclosed any greater COI. I could support a redirect/merge to Berenstain_Bears#Software_and_video_games, where the game is mentioned. As mentioned on the article talk page, the sources appear to cover Coleco products better than the game, so I'd sooner see the the Kid Vid Voice Module section preserved within the company's article (it can always split out summary style if need be). czar 05:14, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. czar 05:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Despite potential copyright infractions, I have offered to share screenshots of select pages of multiple sources. To these offers I have received no response. Additionally, I disclose in my user talk page that I am a fan of the Berenstain Bears. This expertise is what drove me to create this article and I have not tried disclose that fact. There are literally thousands of pieces of Berenstain Bears books and memorabilia and this video game is clearly important both in the history of video games and the Berenstain Bears franchise. There is no COI, rather my discernment as a Berenstain Bears fan is an asset ensuring that that article will be well-sourced, well-researched, and more than worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia.
Darb02 (
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05:44, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- I asked multiple times on the talk page. If you think it would clarify my understanding above, please do share your sources. czar 05:52, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Despite potential copyright infractions, I have offered to share screenshots of select pages of multiple sources. To these offers I have received no response. Additionally, I disclose in my user talk page that I am a fan of the Berenstain Bears. This expertise is what drove me to create this article and I have not tried disclose that fact. There are literally thousands of pieces of Berenstain Bears books and memorabilia and this video game is clearly important both in the history of video games and the Berenstain Bears franchise. There is no COI, rather my discernment as a Berenstain Bears fan is an asset ensuring that that article will be well-sourced, well-researched, and more than worthy of inclusion on Wikipedia.
Darb02 (
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05:44, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Merge or Redirect to Berenstain Bears if such notability problems are the case. edtiorEهեইдအီးËეεઈדוארई電子ಇអ៊ី전자ഇī😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎 06:42, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - Might be worthwhile moving it to focus on the Kid Vid Voice Module. As per the nomination, the best sources seem to cover the module. - hahnch e n 11:46, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- That seems an invalid argument for keep. The article can't be about another topic. Starting Kid Vid Voice Module would be separate, or are you proposing it be moved? -- ferret ( talk) 15:07, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to Berenstain Bears at best because this is unlikely independently notable. SwisterTwister talk 03:25, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to Berenstain Bears per Nom. No independent indepth coverage. -- ferret ( talk) 15:24, 7 February 2016 (UTC)
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