Wikipedia:articles For Deletion Belarus At The 2016 World Speed Skating Championships

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. We have a strong consensus that these articles shouldn't exist as stand-alone pages due to notability and WP:NOT concerns. What's less certain is whether the content should be deleted outright or merged into broader by-country articles. Since most of those articles don't currently exist, and there's no evidence that efforts to create them are underway, we'll do it like this: all articles are deleted, but will be individually restored upon request to allow for merging and redirecting if/when the appropriate framework is put in place. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 17:35, 17 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Belarus at the 2016 World Speed Skating Championships

Nations at the xxx pages are usually reserved for events with multiple sports or disciplines. This one focuses on just one sport. Also quoting Peter Rehse, from another similar AFD [1], "they are all a rehash of a single source. National results for events that are borderline notable themselves. Even there there is nothing demonstrating that [the country] performed anywhere near notable." Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 02:37, 23 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia ( talk) 18:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia ( talk) 18:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Asia-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia ( talk) 18:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia ( talk) 18:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia ( talk) 18:25, 23 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Strong delete - it is an example of proliferation of sports statistics cruft that's best left for dedicated databases. Renata ( talk) 01:26, 26 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Merge. While I generally agree with arguments in favor of delete, I feel the best solution would be to merge the per-country-per-year articles into per-country articles ( Belarus at the World Speed Skating Championships, etc.). GregorB ( talk) 12:18, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Comments. A lot of those do not exist. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 15:16, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Indeed they don't. However, every merge requires an extra amount of work. The real question is: should those articles exist? I don't see why not, given that the content is there already. GregorB ( talk) 15:55, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply

GregorB, I would question general notability of such articles. Would you be able to find sources (not rehashes of result tables) for, say, Italy at the World Speed Skating Championships? Renata ( talk) 19:56, 30 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Renata, if the articles in Category:World Speed Skating Championships are generally sourced - at any rate they should be - then covering Italy at the World Speed Skating Championships shouldn't be a problem. Essentially the same as e.g. Italy at the World Championships in Athletics - a rehash of the result tables, if you will. GregorB ( talk) 20:53, 30 December 2016 (UTC) reply

GregorB: They are usually sourced to result tables. Which is my point -- the coverage for many of these events does not extend beyond statistics and result tables. You could not write a referenced article in prose on these events. Which is an indication that the topic is not notable. You can find, for example, plenty of press coverage on Olympics and you could write prose articles on [nation] at [year] Olympics, but that is not the case with things like Speed Skating Championship. Renata ( talk) 02:28, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Renata: but if it's not possible to write a referenced prose article on this topic, what about e.g. 2015 World Single Distance Speed Skating Championships? Articles on individual editions either: a) are themselves lacking prose (true in this particular case), or b) have or could have prose, but it would typically describe venues, organization, or present some other circumstantial information which is non-sporting in nature. I'd say articles without prose may be notable, as prose is just one way of presenting information. There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of competition articles without prose, and even if it existed, it wouldn't significantly enhance the article's value for the reader. GregorB ( talk) 12:42, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

- Support GregorB's proposal. -- NaBUru38 ( talk) 22:22, 15 January 2017 (UTC) reply
comment at least some articles (I did a small sample) are not tagged pointing to this discussion. I ask @ Sportsfan 1234: to tag them, and ask to pace their nominations for deletion which are counting up from a thousand in a week or so. I also ask admins assessing this discussion to count the 7 day discussion period starting only after all articles are tagged. Nabla ( talk) 23:01, 29 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Comment All articles in this discussion have been tagged now. Sportsfan 1234 ( talk) 00:24, 30 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Some of the nominated articles were not tagged until very late in the discussion period. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:22, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Juliancolton | ^Talk 01:22, 31 December 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep

1) The nominator says events that are borderline notable themselves, well the event are all the main world speed skating championships

2) As per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/France at the 2014 European Athletics Championships. (Note that the European Athletics Championships are not listed at Wikipedia:In the news/Recurring items)

3) THe nominator says Nations at the xxx pages are usually reserved for events with multiple sports or disciplines. But the same kind of series are made for the Category:Nations at the European Athletics Championships and Category:Nations at the World Championships in Athletics. These events have the same notability standard.

4) It's not just about one championships in one year, it's about all the 3 world championships in that year. It's a great way having combined the different World Championships results of every nation.

5) The pages where discussed at the Speed Skating Wikiproject, see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Speed Skating#Nation pages.

or Renaming, as also per Migrant at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Speed Skating#Nation pages: It might be better to rename all such pages into like 2015 in Dutch speed skating, so also "new national records and maybe elections of the national related Speed skating main association like KNSB in Holland, NSA in Norway, DSU in Denmark and so on" can be added.

Sander.v.Ginkel ^(
Talk) 13:45, 2 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Merge - Should be {country} at the {sporting event}, add specific history as notable. Timtempleton ( talk) 01:30, 7 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 06:19, 7 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete - These are part of Sander.v.Ginkel's mass, automated addition of over 18,000 articles that were riddled with errors - flush the lot. Exemplo347 ( talk) 13:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Renaming or alternatively Keep as per No. 5) in Sander.v.Ginkels post per 13:45, 2 January 2017 (UTC). PS. There are actually 4 World Championships in speed skating long track: reply

1) Allround

2) Sprint

3) Single distances with teams and mass start

4) Junior worlds including allround, single distances and teams

And adding to that there is a new structure at the european championships too with adding the sprint-tournament alongside the allround every odd year and only single distances, team and mass start events every even year. Best regards Migrant ( talk) 02:56, 10 January 2017 (UTC) reply

Delete or Merge as outlined in the closed related AfDs. Nothing but large amounts of statistics that likely no-one will every look at. Laurdecl ^talk 09:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC) reply
"Merge' and redirect per GregorB. Montanabw^(talk) 08:16, 15 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Delete Low quality pages that just reproduce race results from the USI website. Non-encyclopedic content that is indiscriminate and no hope of ever being turned into an actual article with context and explanation. This is the definition of pure trivia that is best left for other websites. FuriouslySerene ( talk) 08:31, 15 January 2017 (UTC) reply
Delete all per WP:NOTSTATS and WP:NOTMIRROR. Ajf773 ( talk) 09:32, 15 January 2017 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.