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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) | Uncle Milty | talk | 10:50, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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Search of english language sources does not find a significant mention Ajh1492 ( talk) 15:56, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
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- Delete. Not enough sources. Xxanthippe ( talk) 21:52, 25 October 2013 (UTC).
- Keep: Has been refered to as a renowned artist ( ref) with works in Malbork Castle collection and stained glass windows in St Barbara's Church ( ref), Gdansk and St Jospeh's Church Gdansk ( ref). These seem to me to allow one to argue that her work passes WP:Artist. More sources adding to the article would be nice though( Msrasnw ( talk) 08:59, 26 October 2013 (UTC))
- Thanks for the good work, but [1] and [2] seem to be mentions in passing and I can't find her in [3]. The needs to be some sources that focus on her rather than just mentioning her.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 10:11, 26 October 2013 (UTC).
- Dear Xxanthippe, Hi. I think the windows are quite big and there some pics of those is St Barbara's on Commons. [3] has this "W listopadzie tegoż roku okno w prezbiterium otrzymało witraż, zaprojektowany przez Barbarę Massalską." = GT Gives - In November of the same year window in the choir received a stained glass window, designed by Barbara Massalska. She also seems to have done some of the sgrafitto in Gdansk.... I know we could do with more sources but think this might be one where sources will be tricky. A UK artist with such windows in churches would I think be notable enough. Best wishes (
Msrasnw (
talk) 10:46, 26 October 2013 (UTC))
- PS This blog ( ref) (not suitable as a source) shows one of her sgrafitto, Long Market 26: Lady on a horse and musicians. This is very prominent on the Long Market and even has, it suggests, a picture of her on the building. ( Msrasnw ( talk) 11:53, 26 October 2013 (UTC)) Have added a picture of this now to the article and used this source but indicated it might not be so great. Hope this is OK
- Dear Xxanthippe, Hi. I think the windows are quite big and there some pics of those is St Barbara's on Commons. [3] has this "W listopadzie tegoż roku okno w prezbiterium otrzymało witraż, zaprojektowany przez Barbarę Massalską." = GT Gives - In November of the same year window in the choir received a stained glass window, designed by Barbara Massalska. She also seems to have done some of the sgrafitto in Gdansk.... I know we could do with more sources but think this might be one where sources will be tricky. A UK artist with such windows in churches would I think be notable enough. Best wishes (
Msrasnw (
talk) 10:46, 26 October 2013 (UTC))
- Thanks for the good work, but [1] and [2] seem to be mentions in passing and I can't find her in [3]. The needs to be some sources that focus on her rather than just mentioning her.
Xxanthippe (
talk) 10:11, 26 October 2013 (UTC).
- Comment. I think the sources so far indicating a show at the Muzeum Północno-Mazowieckie (with nontrivial information about her on the museum web page) and being part of the permanent collection of the Malbork Castle museum (but with a lower quality source) come close to WP:ARTIST#4, but aren't quite enough to convince me yet. Are these notable museums? Malbork Castle has an English Wikipedia article but it's not about the museum, and the other museum only seems to have an article on pl. And of the three sources currently in the article, the 4lomza.pl one looks very solid (a museum web site with nontrivial detail about her), but the other two (a database of participants in the uprising and a blog) do not look so good. So while I think it's still below threshold for a keep, I still have the feeling she may be notable and am holding off on formulating an opinion in the hope that more information shows up (such as newspaper or magazine articles about her work — they don't have to be in English). — David Eppstein ( talk) 23:39, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
- Weak keep. I think the current sources (two museums) are good enough for GNG. She is also mentioned (if in passing, from what I can see) in a number of books (see Google Books [1]). -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)
- Weak keep per PP and WP:OUTCOMES. We have tended to keep bios of artists who have exhibited in two or more major museums/galleries. Bearian ( talk) 20:57, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
- Extra refs: I have added some extra refs - I am not sure how to properly cite the Muzeum Narodowe w Gdańsku one but the Encyklopedia Ddanska seems respectable giving those backing its foundation. ( Msrasnw ( talk) 14:15, 30 October 2013 (UTC))
- Keep. In the collection of the National Museum, Gdańsk is good enough for me. — David Eppstein ( talk) 23:56, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
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