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The result was delete. bd2412 T 02:06, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
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this article is base on fictional person which she didn't even exist in history. there isn't any primary source state this person was exist in middle eastern's history Dandamayev ( talk) 12:12, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep. Having looked through material available in English, I don't find enough to make a decision. However, there's enough information to suggest that she is notable, but hard to find English material online to prove it. I don't see evidence that she is widely considered to be fictional as nom suggests. I think this might be WP:SOFIXIT, but not speaking Farsi I cannot fix it myself. Ross-c ( talk) 22:05, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
- in persian or arabic / islamic historical sources, there isn't any point to this character. there is no evidence that this person even exist. -- Dandamayev ( talk) 07:13, 19 April 2018 (UTC)
Redirect to Babak Khorramdin her husband, the one ref in the article is actually a book about him, notability not established independent of him.Szzuk ( talk) 12:18, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, changed vote based upon the discussion below. Szzuk ( talk) 17:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:46, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 12:46, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- ( edit conflict)Delete as most likely hoax and I removed mention of Banu Khorramdin from Babak Khorramdin. The mention of her was added by Class Avesta who was blocked as a vandalism only account; (see block log) unblocked and created this page and reblocked for disruption. There are lot of dubious looking claims, such as "The famous female commando and revolutionary Banu, is to this day considered by most Iranians as a heroine." and I'm unable to find anything that isn't a dubious website that looks like it copied from wikipedia to suggest that what Dandamayev says isn't true, that it is a hoax (I was actually looking through pre-2012 sources and the one was actually 2015 which looked reasonably copied from the wikipedia entry). The one source was added later and isn't about her that I see. In the addition of Banu Khorramdin to Babak Khorramdin's page, Class Avesta changed direct quotes. All his edits should be reverted/scrutinized. Apparently randomly 10 tupling arabs killed in one diff of this article too. pingó mió) 13:39, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Looking at other creations, see:
- Sura_of_Parthia very dubious quite sure hoax no real results before 2011 on the web or in google books
- Amitis (wife of Cyrus the Great) able to find more, looks ok
- Ardavān_V was redirected, able to find more seems like they are on the same topic but none clearly say is alternative name
- Actually,
Dandamayev what do you say about those three articles?
Galobtter (
pingó mió)
14:13, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- well
Galobtter, Amitis was mention in report of
Ctesias as daughter of Astyages , and aunt of cyrus and subsequently (after killing of her husbend) as his wife, but scholars almost conform Amitis with
Cassandane (Official wife of cyrus which is reported in history of Herodotus). for persian studies we have problem with greek reports. because they report different names for one person (such as
bardiya/smerdis), hence we don't know cyrus has two wives or one wife which is reported in 2 historical reported with 2 different names.
- for Sura_of_Parthia,neitheir i didn't see her name in reliable sources (in Primary or secondary) nor heard her name in my entire life. i think it's fake.
- Ardavān_V is true. this is persian name for Latin/Greek counterpart Artabanus. you can see also Encyclopædia Iranica, s.v:
ARDAŠĪR,
ARTABANUS (Old Persian proper name),
ARTABANUS (Arsacid kings). these article are reliable and academic and verifies his name.--
Dandamayev (
talk)
15:09, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks! Interesting. The original version of the article on Amitis did mention it being in history of Herodotus. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 15:20, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Ardavān_V is true. this is persian name for Latin/Greek counterpart Artabanus. you can see also Encyclopædia Iranica, s.v:
ARDAŠĪR,
ARTABANUS (Old Persian proper name),
ARTABANUS (Arsacid kings). these article are reliable and academic and verifies his name.--
Dandamayev (
talk)
15:09, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- for Sura_of_Parthia,neitheir i didn't see her name in reliable sources (in Primary or secondary) nor heard her name in my entire life. i think it's fake.
- well
Galobtter, Amitis was mention in report of
Ctesias as daughter of Astyages , and aunt of cyrus and subsequently (after killing of her husbend) as his wife, but scholars almost conform Amitis with
Cassandane (Official wife of cyrus which is reported in history of Herodotus). for persian studies we have problem with greek reports. because they report different names for one person (such as
bardiya/smerdis), hence we don't know cyrus has two wives or one wife which is reported in 2 historical reported with 2 different names.
- Probably overreading this, but suspicious that editor interaction utility shows History of Persia a few years later, a known socketeer and hoaxer made very similar changes (adding references to bad sources that copied from Wikipedia) to two of Class Avesta creations, Sura of Parthia and Amitis (wife of Cyrus the Great), on the same day. Both articles are in similar topics but not directly linked and pretty obscure articles. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 14:13, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think it's better to Merge Amitis in Cassandane and note that this name is given by Ctesias, maybe both names is for one person. -- Dandamayev ( talk) 15:16, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps, should definitely note what the scholars say, you can WP:BOLDly do it. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 15:32, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
- Delete. Srnec ( talk) 19:57, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
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