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Keep: As the sources in the article indicate, the subject meets the GNG. (In the AfDs cited above, the station stops lacked citations.) Done deal. Aside from that I have a hard time figuring out how one categorizes a subway station as a "bus stop," that's a subjective value judgment that has nothing to do with any notability criteria on Wikipedia.
Ravenswing 17:48, 15 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep: This is a wholly different situation than the Bynner Street AfD - I nominated those stops because there was no reliable information available, not even what intersections the stops were actually at. These are well-documented stops with historical information that can be added (Riverway in particular was a major junction); lack of stop infrastructure is
not a guarantee of lack of notability.
Pi.1415926535 (
talk)
18:03, 15 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep This isn't a policy-backed rationale, but it makes a poor reading experience to delete a few stations in the middle of the line. It messes with navigation, making a gap when navigating through the stations via the adjacent station templates. If more than a few of a line's non-major or transfer stations has an article it's better to have articles for all of them. However an alternative to keep the continuity would be convert these articles into a list (ex. something similar to
List of state routes in Nevada shorter than one mile).
JumpytooTalk21:25, 15 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment. I can see the rationale for keeping the article for consistency reasons, but I do agree with the nominator that it's essentially just a bus stop, as
can be seen here. It's not a subway station. It's no more notable than thousands of very similar tram stops in European cities that we would never have articles on in a million years. --
Necrothesp (
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13:30, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator Comment My issue here is the apparent double standards for these types of articles. We can't have different policies surrounding these situations for different geographic locations or different transportation agencies. The question is "Are streetcar stations that are nothing more than an ordinary bus stop notable simply because they serve streetcars and not just buses? Yes or No." If the answer is "Yes", the articles on SEPTA Routes 101/102 should be restored (this would apply as well if the argument for keeping is consistency). If the answer is "No", these E Branch stations that are nothing more than just bus stops should be deleted, but Heath Street should be kept because it has actual infrastructure (the loop and the operator's building). A general principle needs to be applied here - we can't say that these minimal streetcar "stations" are notable for the MBTA but not notable for SEPTA, or anything of the sort.
Nick Boppel (
talk)
15:56, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
There was
a 2017 RfC about whether to use "station" or "stop" for articles like this. It's definitely an issue where any discussion should take place at the project level, rather than about individual articles.
Pi.1415926535 (
talk)
22:18, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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