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Just because two teams play in the same division does not make them "rivals". A couple headlines reading they "don't like each other" or fanblogs calling them "rivals" does not establish that they are indeed "rivals" to the point of having their own dedicated page. Instead, it's
WP:FANCRUFT; there is no
WP:LASTING impact from the situation on July 26, 2021, for instance. See
WP:INDISCRIMINATE and
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Astros–Braves rivalry for a similar discussion. –
Muboshgu (
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19:52, 8 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. The closest thing that comes to a RS talking about a rivalry is the Seattle Times article and the context of that is within a singular season. Skipple☎20:51, 8 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom and below analysis of all the sources currently in the article. The only source one that might pass
WP:GNG is the
WP:LOCALSeattle Times article referenced above. Most either don’t even describe the teams as “rivals” or use the term once or twice in the way any two teams could be described as competitors. FrankAnchor00:00, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
WP:LOCAL coverage (though not directly affiliated with either team). Coverage of a benches-clearing brawl between the two teams. Only mentions the term "rival" once in a routine description of the teams being from the same division. N
WP:LOCAL coverage (though not directly affiliated with either team). Article suggests an "on-and-off" rivalry between the two teams but also recognizes the teams lack geographical proximity and "bad blood" generally found in a rivalry. N
Local coverage (though not affiliated with either team).
Probably the closest to passing
WP:GNG for establishing a rivalry between the two clubs of any of the sources provided. While the source does not use the term "rivalry" or "rivals," it describes some recent history between the two teams. Probably a borderline pass of GNG, but not enough on its own. Y
Non-independent article from a blog-site that calls itself "a Seattle Mariners community." Routine coverage of the two teams' series against each other which could be used to describe a series between any two teams. Describes "how good an Astros-Mariners rivalry could be good for baseball" but does nothing to establish a rivalry currently exists between the two teams. N
Routine preview of a playoff series. Mentions "bad blood" exists between the two teams but does not make any effort to describe a rivalry between the two teams. N
Local coverage (though not affiliated with either team). Post-playoff series report that uses the term "rivalry" in a routine way that could describe a series between any two teams as being a rivalry. N
Coverage must be both independent and significant in order to pass
WP:GNG and this particular article is neither. It lacks independence as it is published by MLB, and it lacks significance because it is a a single paragraph that describes a recent playoff series between the two teams, does not describe any animosity between the teams, and only uses the term "rivalry" in the title (likely as a buzzword to manufacture hype). FrankAnchor12:11, 9 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete per Frank Anchor's source analysis and lack of independent coverage. Not every divisional rivalry needs a Wikipedia page.
Qwaiiplayer (
talk)
14:57, 15 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete. I think there's more potential here than some of the other cruftier rivalry articles, but this doesn't quite cut it as of yet. There's not a huge history between the teams, and as a result this is mostly just a description of games from 2021 and 2022. Try again in a few years.
Nohomersryan (
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19:15, 15 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep Hang on a Second Gentlemen, I’ve found two other articles outlining the rivalry. Regardless of the depth in history, it seems to be an upstart divisional rivalry. 1.
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The WSJ page is paywalled but an article that has "most lopsided rivalry" in the title and talks about how much one team has obliterated another team during a single season is not
WP:SIGCOV of a rivalry N (if anyone has more input of the full text, please add it to this discussion). The Sportskeeda page is routine coverage of players getting hit by pitches in games between the two teams. Players get hit by pitches all the time. "Bean-ball wars" in which players on both sides get hit by pitches and fights occur are somewhat common in MLB. That does not establish a rivalry. NFrankAnchor13:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)reply
I was able to view the WSJ article. It does not discuss a rivalry beyond a story about how the Astros beat the Mariners 16 out of 17 times in 2019. Not really a basis for a Wikipedia article about a notable rivalry.
Rlendog (
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18:16, 22 May 2023 (UTC)reply
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