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The result was delete. Sandstein 09:37, 13 February 2017 (UTC)
Army Men III
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Fails WP:GNG. Non-notable fan game. Topic lacks significant coverage from reliable independent sources. The1337gamer ( talk) 14:14, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. The1337gamer ( talk) 14:15, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
- Delete The article is superfluous due to its lack of notability. TH1980 ( talk) 22:17, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
- Do NOT Delete I've updated the article with supporting references and citation. Hopefully it helps. The article should stay. -- Vanguard2042 ( talk) 02:14, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- Reference 1 is some random YouTuber's channel. Not a reliable source.
- Reference 2 is a ModDB page for a completely different game. It does not mention the subject of the article. It is also a primary source.
- Reference 3 is a ModDB article on Unreal Engine. It does not mention the subject of the article.
- Reference 4, 5, 6 are primary sources from the developer's of the fan game.
- Reference 7 is an IndieDB page for a completely different game. It does not mention the subject of the article. It is also a primary source.
- Not a single reference you've added contributes to the topic's notability. --
The1337gamer (
talk) 07:16, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- Reference 1: That "random YouTuber" is the game's storywriter and director. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kNLp6CIReo
- Reference 2: It's not a game, its a mod, and its where Army Men III originated from, at least according to Franklin (the dev behind the game).
- Reference 3: I was just adding reference to the UDK's release and I thought I was required to cite the source with the history behind the start of their game.
- Reference 4, 5, 6: This was just to confirm what happened to the game. Is there really anything wrong with that?
- Reference 7: I guess that was probably best left out.
- I took another look at my last edit and maybe they should've been listed as external links instead so I will add more to this article tomorrow.
- When you said "notable sources" are you looking for press coverage? Reviews? Interviews? --
Vanguard2042 (
talk) 01:01, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- Make sure you read the criteria at
WP:GNG. Take a look at
WP:RS, which discusses what constitutes reliable sources. For video games, see
WP:VG/RS list. We are looking for things like credentials, editorial oversight, peer review, etc. We are looking for sources independent of the author/developer. —
HELLKNOWZ ▎
TALK 11:47, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- I polished the page a bit, I thought there were at least a couple more news sources but it seems only one I can find is from Small Dev Talk which I already know about that. According to the articles HELLKNOWS linked me, it says for notability I need at least one existing source. Seeing Small Dev Talk has interviewed a lot of other games, hopefully it counts right? -- Vanguard2042 ( talk) 10:56, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
- UPDATE: For some reason, a bot deleted all of my work immediately for some reason when I moved the references to external links based on the advice here. Was I missing something? --
Vanguard2042 (
talk) 11:10, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
- WP:GNG talk in plural about sources, so you need multiple sources (that also fit all the other criteria). 2 would be really really stretching it, as you couldn't really write significant content from that. So 3+ is usually the minimum when discussing article deletion. Small Dev Talk source is an interview -- thus it is essentially a primary source as the developer themselves give information. This could supplement the sourcing, if the interviewer is a reliable source, but it does not count for notability. The bot reverted the change, because you--as a new user--added a plain youtube link, which is almost always misused. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 13:09, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
- Make sure you read the criteria at
WP:GNG. Take a look at
WP:RS, which discusses what constitutes reliable sources. For video games, see
WP:VG/RS list. We are looking for things like credentials, editorial oversight, peer review, etc. We are looking for sources independent of the author/developer. —
HELLKNOWZ ▎
TALK 11:47, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
- Delete. Clearly misses coverage from reliable sources. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 09:45, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- Delete as non-notable fan game failing WP:GNG with no secondary, independent, reliable, in-depth sources, such as WP:VG/RS. Sources in the article are not reliable. — HELLKNOWZ ▎ TALK 11:58, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Non-notable fan game with no reliable, secondary sources. 64.183.45.226 ( talk) 20:01, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
- Delete - per nom. Fails GNG. The1337gamer's assessment on the sources present is correct. Sergecross73 msg me 20:17, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
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