Wikipedia:articles For Deletion Ann Johnston (american Politician)

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. ( non-admin closure) Coolabahapple ( talk) 23:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Ann Johnston (American politician)

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Doesn't seem to meet guidelines for politicans per WP:POLITICIAN - a local politician. Nothing here indicating that she's notable via news coverage outside of normal local news coverage. Mr. Vernon ( talk) 00:26, 20 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Merge, tentatively, into a new, bigger list-article. I haven't tried to find sources on Ann Johnston, and am just assuming for the moment that the nom is correct and she is not individually-Wikipedia-notable. Assuming that, we can still be a little bit creative and positive here, and not just tear down stuff. This article was started as part of a series of articles on mayors of Stockton, which are linked by "preceded by" and "succeeded by" links in their infoboxes. It doesn't make sense to rip one out of the sequence, leaving no connection between the other articles. From looking at a few others in the sequence, it seems to me that some of them are individually notable. And given that some will have articles, it is justifiable to have a list of them. It is arguable, as with this one, that some of them don't need to have separate articles. That's okay, but we don't have to lose the information: just merge any non-notable ones into a standalone list-article of the mayors, or a list that can be created in a section of the Stockton, California city article. And leave a redirect to the appropriate row in the list-article. The edit history of this article can survive in the redirect, and if/when more sources emerge, the article on Ann Johnston can be restored and further developed, with the edit history intact.

Note: It is not necessary for the standalone list-article (or section in the city article) to exist yet, for this AFD to be concluded with a "Merge" decision. I for one am willing to create a list-article (or decide to create a list in a city article section) and implement the merge, if it is closed that way. But even if there are no volunteers in advance, it still can be closed with this kind of decision. The closer just needs to indicate what needs to be done using the appropriate banner template on the article (which I have seen used sometimes, although I don't see mention of it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How an AfD discussion is closed, where it should in fact be mentioned.) -- do ncr am 02:07, 20 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Further note: This AFD does not need to rule on whether a List of mayors of Stockton, California (currently a redlink) is itself valid as a standalone list-article. Offhand, it seems valid to me, as Stockton is a largish city (13th largest in California), and as there are more than a few members already in Category:Lists of mayors of places in California. Leave it to whoever chooses to create the list. They can choose to redirect the list-topic to a section in the city article if they like, it doesn't matter here. -- do ncr am 02:18, 20 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Keep Johnston was mayor of Stockton, California, a city of well over 300,000 people. During her time in office, Stockton filed bankruptcy, the largest U.S. city to ever do so. I routinely recommend deleting articles about small town mayors. Stockton is a major city, California's third largest seaport, and the 63rd largest city in the U.S. I consider mayors of such significant cities notable. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:34, 20 November 2016 (UTC) reply
Keep. I agree with Cullen328: Stockton is a big enough and important enough city that its mayors are notable for their work as mayor. Plenty of coverage about her (somewhat contentious) tenure can be seen in the usual GNews, GBooks, and HighBeam searches. -- Arxiloxos ( talk) 06:06, 20 November 2016 (UTC) reply
You have me convinced. Feel free to close the AfD. -- Mr. Vernon ( talk) 06:14, 20 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 22:54, 24 November 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple ( talk) 22:54, 24 November 2016 (UTC) reply

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.