The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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The result was Redirect/No consensus. There is a consensus that, in general, the pageant contestors listed here should be deleted or redirected. Two of the people,
Gabriela Kratochvílová and
Andrea Kalousová, have also done something else (than just a pageant), an issue that has not been explicitly adressed in the AfD. The best solution therefore seems to be to close the discussion on the two of them as no consensus with no prejudice against immediately re-nominating them for deletion individually. For the remaining articles, I will close the discussion on them as redirect rather than delete, since they are potential search terms.
Pax:Vobiscum (
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10:57, 30 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Recent community discussions have held there is no consensus for automatic notability for pageant winners. See
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roxanne Allison Baeyens – bundled, resulted in 18 articles deleted – upheld at more recent
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paulette Samayoa. There was also a recent successful RfC
[1] concerning sockfarms and beauty pageant article creations by sockfarms like
this one. The RfC does not imply deletion is necessary in this case, but does indicate that scrutiny will be especially strong and this was not taken into account in the last, lightly attended, deletion debate held in 2015 (four keep !votes, one of which was by a later
CU-confirmed sockpuppet). ☆ Bri (
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17:33, 29 October 2020 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure about the others, but I don't think Jevon King in particular should be deleted; she has a son with
Diplo who has a lengthy WP article. If she only had a son with Diplo or only won the pageant, her article should be deleted. However, I think with these two combined, her article should stay.
Unknown-Tree (
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21:13, 29 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Fine,
WP:Notability – which is a guideline – states it this way: No subject is automatically or inherently notable merely because it exists: the evidence must show the topic has gained significant independent coverage or recognition, and that this was not a mere short-term interest... I'm sure you know this having followed WP:NRVE from the NOTINHERITED essay, but I'm stating it here for the others participating. ☆ Bri (
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20:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)reply
WEAK KEEP: Despite pageant winners being deleted in other articles. Generally speaking, winning a nationwide pageant, means you won several local pageants. However, this is an English language wikipedia and if you aren't able to find the local pageants in English, than maybe it doesn't reach the notability for this version of wikipedia. - 23:23, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
Juju (
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Wikipedia notability is not and should not be based English-language coverage, and that's not the main issue here. It's the paucity of non-trivial RS coverage outside the pageant in any language. In many of the listed articles, being a pageant delegate is the sum total of RS coverage, one-event biographies.
• Gene93k (
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15:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)reply
well I found numerous Czech articles on her in particular, but I cant assess the reliability of those articles, since I'm not versed in that language. -
Juju (
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06:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge/redirect all of the Czech Miss winners. Although they have some coverage in generally reliable Czech language media such as
iDNES or
denik.cz[2][3][4] the coverage does not focus on the winners in depth, or else is just interviews / non-intellectually independent coverage which generally does not count toward GNG. So I would say the best outcome would be merging or redirecting into articles about the contest. (
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c) buidhe00:02, 6 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Redirect or merge all (or delete in the absence of a suitable redirect target), per WP:1E and WP:NMODEL. It seems there is hardly any content worth merging, though. PJvanMill)
talk(16:26, 17 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment I would be inclined to !vote redirect for articles created by socks, but we should open separate AfDs for the rest. jp×g17:09, 28 November 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete, Redirect, or Merge all (descending order of choice) with the last two options as
ATD per rationale of Nom. I am not a fan of mass nominations but these
BLP articles fail any
notability criteria. They are sourced either improperly through the "External links" (Ceska Miss official website), one or two sources (sometimes three like cemodels.cz and globalbeauties), with a sprinkle of maybe one reliable source or
primary source that DOES NOT advance any notability for encyclopedia coverage. Attempts to count winning some non-notable "Miss diaper" pageant as justification to disclaim
WP:BLP1E does not work. Look at
Jázmin Dammak who won Miss Universe Hungary that set up entry into Miss Universe 2008 where she placed 15th. The more than likely permanent
dictionary entry just is not notable for encyclopedia inclusion.
Sharr Htut Eaindra won
Miss Universe Myanmar 2014 and did not place in the
Miss Universe 2014 pageant. She is still shown on the article as being a sophomore in college after 6 years.
Yéo Jennifer won one pageant and didn't even place in the Miss World 2014 pageant. The same results with
Kim Seo-yeon.
Zăjnagul Zharkynbaeva won Miss Kyrgyzstan 2014 and we are awaiting the results of the Miss Universe 2015 pageant which it seems (outdated article) she didn't win. Each of these have similar results. Even though there is no
no rushfleeting news coverage at the time does not present notability.
Otr500 (
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00:13, 30 November 2020 (UTC)reply
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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