- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. No doubt about it the article is in a shit state but notability is certainly there and to be fair the article's not that promotional, As for the talkpage crap - Any vandal can write crap on a talkpage doesn't necessarily mean it's true but anywho I've removed it, Anyway seems an obvious Keep here ( non-admin closure) – Davey2010 Talk 01:03, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
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The talk page has this statement from the creator: "Andra Day is about to tour with Lenny Kravitz and we want to see her audience grow to new heights. Wikipedia is fundamental in this audience acquisition process"
This states explicitly that this is part of a PR campaign and is a blatant advert. Delete as such. Fiddle Faddle 19:32, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment (was delete): this AfC draft submission was moved inappropriately by a COI editor with 300 edits (AFCHS requires a minumum of 500 edits). There is some coverage about her, but in any case this would need to be userified until an appropriate review is conducted. It should never have been moved to mainspace like thus. FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 20:13, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Speedy keep, speedy close. What is wrong with you people? Really! This is a perfectly reasonable, not particularly promotional who satisfies the musician SNG with a national tour supporting Lenny Kravitz, satisfies the GNG via coverage by Billboard, CBS, BET, NPR, and Rolling Stone, has several high=profile public appearances/national broadcasts, has a performance in a notable documentary, and has a major-label album set for release next week. Rejecting the recent draft at AFC was inappropriate; speedying an article with so many obvious claims of significance was abusive; and campaigning to delete the article because the author didn't comply with an entirely optional process is Wikibureaucracy and Wikilawyering that may not quite reach its nadir, but really isn't attractive. The author was certainly trying very hard to keep the text legitimate and nonpromotional: there's no link to the album's Amazon or iTunes page, no link to the buy-tickets-for-my-tour page, no self-congratulatory quotations from her own PR or look-at-me-ain't-I-something interviews. Hell, the creator didn't even quote the effusive praise from the NPR commentator (which really belongs in there, so I've added it). And rather than supplying the standard overglamourized, photoshopped to death publicity image, the infobox photo is a nice shot of the artist working in the studio. Even though this comes from the subject's own people (who haven't hidden their relationship), it's a better and more appropriate article than 90% of the articles written by enthusiastic fans about their favorite performers. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) ( talk) 21:12, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Comment What is wrong with me is that I despise people using Wikipedia for promotion, probably self promotion. I don't care about the use/abuse of the AfC process. I do care about the blatant advertisement of this artist and misuse of WIklipedia to do so. Do, please, beware WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS as an argument Fiddle Faddle 21:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- "I despise" is not a policy- or guideline-based argument, You don't argue that the subject isn't notable, and you don't explain how this piece is a "blatant advertisement". COI edition is discouraged but not forbidden, and when such an editor writes a policy- and guideline- compliant article and discloses their connection to the subject, they don't deserve to be vilified like this. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) ( talk) 22:12, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Speedy keep, speedy close. For The Big Bad Wolfowitz Rainbow unicorn ( talk) 02:53, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Speedy keep, speedy close - This article should not have been listed here. Passes WP:GNG and WP:BAND without question. ~Oshwah~ (talk) (contribs) 06:58, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k ( talk) 19:57, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
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