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The result was delete. Seraphimblade Talk to me 06:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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Amin Ghafari
Contested AFC submission of biography of violinist who does not appear to satisfy musical notability. A draft was submitted twice and declined twice, so then this article, which appears to be identical to the declined drafts, was copied into article space. (This is not a copy-paste because there is only one author.) The article (like the draft) has been reference-bombed, so a source analysis has not been performed, at least not now. The peacock language is strongly suggestive of conflict of interest. If the originator wants to establish notability, they can specify which three sources should be evaluated. I have spot-checked the sourced, and they are largely primary, such as mentions of his performance in concerts (and playing in concerts is what violinists do). There is already a (declined) draft, so if the article does not establish musical notability or general notability, and it does not, it should be deleted. Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians, Music, and Iran. Robert McClenon ( talk) 22:15, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Keep. Passes criteria 9 of WP:MUSICBIO as the first place winner of an international violin competition. This is a significant enough competition that there are certainly press articles in Japanese on this violinist that have not been included here. Additionally, there is enough secondary significant coverage in Iranian press already cited in the article to pass WP:GNG. While I agree with many of the copy editing criticisms made by the nominator, I don't think there is a strong argument to be made that the subject is not notable under both SNG and GNG guidelines. The issues with the article can be solved by editing in main space. 4meter4 ( talk) 15:56, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, dxneo ( talk) 23:40, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, fails GNG and NBIO. Non of the above show sources and clearly does not meet MUSICBIO #9 dispite above claims. BEFORE showed nothing, AfC rejected it twice. No WP:IS WP:RS sources with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth have been found, let alone article soucing that meets BLP. If for some reason article is not deleted the PEACOCKing needs to be removed. // Timothy :: talk 14:58, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Timothy fails WP:GNG and it not clear that he won a major music competition to pass Musicbio #9. Pharaoh of the Wizards ( talk) 16:33, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. All websites of Iran's official newspaper reported about their positions and awards. Musicians or musical groups (of any kind: singers, orchestras, DJs, musical theater groups, etc.) are famous when they meet at least one of the following criteria: the subject of several credible published works that are authoritative and independent of the musician or group be This criterion includes published works of any kind (newspaper articles, books, magazines, television documentaries, and online resources), except for: those in which an individual or group of musicians spoke about themselves or promoted themselves. they pay that the article I wrote was never a personal interview of them. Have a nationally distinguished work that is included in the national music rankings of a country (such as the Billboard charts). He won the foreign prize of Osaka. Be the winner or nominee of an important music award (such as Grammy Award, Juno Award, etc.). win an important music competition. So if you are an editor, try to help Wikipedia. Not to delete suitable and relevant and healthy articles with the help of tags. My goal is to improve the articles Khtibkiarash ( talk) 16:57, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Agree with nominator's and Timothy's reasons. That competition does not have an article, it's not clear if it's notable or significant. Tehonk ( talk) 17:41, 9 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:00, 9 October 2023 (UTC)- Keep. I am an older Iranian user and also contribute to the English Wikipedia. I've reviewed the article about this individual and can confirm that he is recognized in Iran. He is the official winner of an international competition. However, due to the inadequacies in the article's content, many believe he isn't well-known. The article should be retained, as he is a prominent violinist in Iran, and his music is frequently played on all Iranian television channels. Please don't consider deletion based on misinformation. I kindly suggest that the administrators research this individual's name on Google, or using his Farsi name, for clarity. I recommend retaining the article and asking the original author to address the minor issues.
- Alirezajamshidimajd ( talk) 19:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete appears to be a paid spam.
Maliner (
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12:06, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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Liz I am also concerned by the single purpose account of the article's creator and their vote.
Maliner (
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12:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
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Liz likewise, checking the crosswiki edits, I'm pretty certain both Khtibkiarash and Alirezajamshidimajd belong to this sock farm:
/info/en/?search=User:Aliasghar_ghorbandokht
Tehonk (
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01:58, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
- The appropriate action to take then is to contact a checkuser or file an SPI. I don't have the ability to investigate your suspicions. Liz Read! Talk! 06:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
- I report your slander. Your words smell of accusation. Khtibkiarash ( talk) 14:32, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Liz likewise, checking the crosswiki edits, I'm pretty certain both Khtibkiarash and Alirezajamshidimajd belong to this sock farm:
/info/en/?search=User:Aliasghar_ghorbandokht
Tehonk (
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01:58, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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Liz I am also concerned by the single purpose account of the article's creator and their vote.
Maliner (
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12:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Delete fails in WP:GNG, no have any notable music work nd also fails in Musicbio Worldiswide ( talk) 03:28, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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