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The result was Procedural close. Closing this discussion as all the relevant articles have been deleted as CSD G7
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Dom 09:38, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
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PROD contested by article creator. Collecting data and compiling it into a new format violates
WP:OR,
WP:NOTSTATS, and to a lesser extent
WP:LISTCRUFT.
Giant
Snowman 21:21, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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Delete Fails on all counts mentioned, and they're not even meaningful stats. Article(s) do not in any way explain why these stats are notable either.
Bretonbanquet (
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Question - if you follow that particular line of logic, are you therefore going to call for the deletion of all 'All-Time' pages?
Could you also please advise what sort of statistic would be classed as 'meaningful'?
And calling the Conference, Southern League, Northern Premier League and Isthmian League 'random' is somewhat disengenuous, escpeially when two of the competitions have existed for over 100 years and one of them (the Southern) effectively created an entire Division of the Football League Geordiewomble 21:41, 3 August 2011 (UTC).
- If community consensus holds that these kinds of pages are non-notable (which, going from a recent discussion at
WT:FOOTY), then yes, it is logical to delete them all.
Giant
Snowman 21:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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- (e/c) Firstly, I'd say yes, 'all-time' pages (erroneously named) should be deleted. Meaningful statistics in football terms are season tables, match results, player appearances, things like that. Nobody is calling into doubt the validity or notability of these leagues. What is meaningless is the creation of tables with no level playing field, i.e. these clubs have not participated with the same frequency, or against the same opponents, so the stats are woefully skewed. What information can be drawn from these tables? Why are they notable? Which reliable sources use them?
Bretonbanquet (
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That would be a shame - are you going to push for ALL 'All-Time' tables to be likewise deleted? Just so I know to stop work on my League of Ireland pages.... Geordiewomble 21:48, 3 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding
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- Yes, I would advise you to cease work on these kinds of articles until their worth has been judged here, either way.
Giant
Snowman 21:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
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- Delete along with
All-time English Conference League Table,
All-time English Conference National Division Table,
All-time English Conference North/South Division Table,
All-time Isthmian League 3rd Division Table,
All-time Isthmian League Table,
All-time Northern Premier League Premier Division Table,
All-time Northern Premier League 1st Division Table,
All-time Southern League Table,
All-time Southern League Premier Division Table,
All-time Southern League 1st Division Table,
All-time Isthmian League Table,
All-time Isthmian League 1st Division Table,
All-time Isthmian League 2nd Division Table as original research.
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- Delete - Wikipedia discourages the use of a all time table based on content coined from WP, it is OR, such type of info needs external source.
Eduemoni
↑talk↓ 01:46, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
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If that is the will, so be it - give me 10 minutes, they'll be gone. Just to confirm, you'd be looking to delete ALL 'all-time' lists? Would that then extend to non-Football, indeed non-Sport lists? I'm asking this as a positive enquiry, not a criticism Geordiewomble 08:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding
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Will this be deleted too ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_FA_Premier_League_table — Preceding
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86.177.11.232 (
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- If this article is deleted then all related articles should go.
Ilikeeatingwaffles (
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All my pages have been cleared! Now, to go back to my first love - buses; are there any other Counties I can create Route Lists for? Geordiewomble 21:07, 4 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding
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