- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was no consensus and opinions remain split so none is likely to emerge. A move can be handled editorially, with RM if needed. Star Mississippi 02:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
Alim Abdallah
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Seemingly falls short of WP:BIO: no military decorations mentioned, deputy commander (rather than commander) of a brigade, circumstance of death doesn't stand out among others - KIA (exchange of fire). Likely WP:RECENTISM. Brandmeister talk 12:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Military and Israel. Brandmeister talk 12:00, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: There's coverage of his death, but doesn't appear to be notable before his death. Dying doesn't change notability. Oaktree b ( talk) 16:38, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. WP:BDP1E applies. WWGB ( talk) 01:17, 8 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. There was significant coverage also before his death, totally undermining the opinions above. While all policies mentioned before me are important, none of these apply to Lt Colonel Abdallah. gidonb ( talk) 16:40, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. There was significant coverage before his death and even after with recent articles still mentioning his name. I understand Brandmeister reasoning but I don't see it being applicable in this case. There's enough coverage for this page to remain up. Nintenga ( talk) 00:29, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Of the references currently in the article, none are coverage prior to his death. I haven't found any prior sigcov so far that would establish a WP:GNG pass prior to his death but am open to changing my vote should such coverage be produced. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 19:30, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh ( talk) 13:51, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NOTMEMORIAL WP:NOTNEWS we do not have notability prior to or after death. Lightburst ( talk) 17:54, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: Typical WP:BDP1E, WP:NOTMEMORIAL, WP:NOTNEWS. Iskandar323 ( talk) 07:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep Clear evidence of notability from the sources provided and additional sources not used. We have in-depth coverage from national sources in Israel (which would be enough for notability) and even coverage in China from Xinhua News Agency, in India from Hindustan Times, in Australia from Australian Financial Review, and in the United States. Thmymerc ( talk) 11:20, 15 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. There's clearly WP:GNG from international and international WP:SIGCOV on the article subject. Not sure how this qualifies under WP:MEMORIAL (so we shouldn't have articles about dead people?). Would note that editors are claiming that WP:BDP1E is not a deletion rationale on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Issam Abdallah (obvious caveats for WP:OTHERSTUFF), but we should be consistent, especially in the context of this contentious topic area. Longhornsg ( talk) 18:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
DeleteAgreed with Lightburst and Iskandar323; no evidence of notability beyond the sad event of his passing. I am not seeing the sigcov, prior to death, that is referred to by the above keep !votes. Resonant Distortion 08:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla @SUPERHEROLOGIST 08:36, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep (weak) and move to Death of Alim Abdallah. Sources in the article show this meets GNG as an event; as a BIO, it is WP:BIO1E, but this guides to write an article about the event. This often occurs with 1E bios. I think the Haaretz, Xinhua, plus [1], [2], [3], [4], [5] are the sources that I think can sustain an EVENT article. There is a legitimate question of WP:LASTING, but I think the international level of coverage cancels this out and WP:NOTTEMPORARY applies. // Timothy :: talk 12:02, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Move to Death of Alim Abdallah as Timothy suggested above - there are sources, but they are about the guy's death i.e. the event, not the person.
- Comment. Some of the participants here claim that Abdallah was not covered prior to his death. Such claims should not be counted as the sources from 2022 are right in the article. gidonb ( talk) 10:53, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- Keep. Before Alim Abdallah died, he already had reliable sources. Micheal Kaluba ( talk) 15:41, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
- Move to Death of Alim Abdallah. I have struck my previous delete !vote and changed to move as TimothyBlue suggested above. The event has much greater claim to notability compared to the person - I would expect WP:VICTIM to apply. The delete votes however remain correct - the coverage prior to the event of his death does not appear to sufficiently demonstrate notability. The 2022 coverage appears to constitute 2 sources; one of which is a passing mention ( [6]) and the second offer appears to be a brief 3 sentence profile which appears to be routine local coverage [7]. Resonant Distortion 19:25, 26 November 2023 (UTC)
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