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Having been pointed to this article, I am having no luck in verifying it. One would think that the invention of the electric toaster would be well-documented enough that searching for this fellow should turn up plenty of hits, but if I search for 20th century book sources, I get nothing, and the first web hit I get is from
[1] which Google claims dates from 2000, but which Wayback suggests may have appeared in 2007 or later. Everything else seems to trace back to a 2012 Daily Mirror "fun facts" kind of article, which isn't something I would take as a reliable source. The authenticity of the photo is likewise dubious. I don't think this was written as a hoax here, but I think it's untrue.
Mangoe (
talk) 23:45, 18 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete. I was unable to find anything except "Alan MacMasters invented the toaster, and it later became the Eclipse". That alone doesn't make an article as it is not significant enough coverage. None of the article sources provide significant coverage either. This person is not notable and does not pass the
WP:GNG. I was also unable to verify the story about how he invented the toaster. —
Danre98(
talk^
contribs) 00:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Note: I did not attempt to verify that MacMasters invented the toaster because I did not find it necessary to make an argument for deletion. The article may very well be a hoax. —
Danre98(
talk^
contribs) 18:58, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment I can't tell about the individual itself, so won't vote on this AfD, but the photo was almost certainly faked, as someone on reddit has
admitted to doing so.Chessrat(
talk,
contributions) 09:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete for lack of reliable sources, this does sound like the kind of thing where a lone sentence in the toaster article might have been enough for Google to give it as an answer to "who invented the toaster" whenever a hasty journalist was looking for a good opening line for an article about toasters, from 2012 onwards. All sources used in the article appear to be that kind of throwaway mention that post-date that, and there are
long, detailed additions which don't appear in the cited sources (the 2018 Winn book only includes the words "based on an idea by a Scotsman, Alan MacMasters" in passing while talking about Crompton). I can't find any reliable sources that confirm that Alan MacMasters existed or invented the toaster. --
Lord Belbury (
talk) 11:03, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete We clearly do not have GNG quality sources to show notability. At least some of what is here was faked, and the fact that people faked those parts makes me hard pressed to believe anything else.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 14:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete I have always been suspicious of that image. It was uploaded by the creator as part of the original article. There does not appear to be documentation to support GNG. I would be interested in comments from the author/uploader.--
☾Loriendrew☽☏(ring-ring) 14:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete and block creator - almost certainly a blatant hoax. You can tell from the photoshopped image of the person. --
MuZemike 18:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Reply Out of curiosity, how can you tell that the image is photoshopped?
Patachonica (
talk) 19:55, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
One way you can tell it is just looks...off. The "tear" is a little too perfect. Tears aren't the same width from one side to another. But you can also look at the metadata and see that it was run through Adobe Photoshop CS5 on a Mac, can tell they uploaded it from an image into a photoshop project, tweaked it (literally "saved, converted, derived, saved, saved, converted, derived, saved, saved, saved"), and then imported it back into a photo. Looks like they took a photo, made it look "aged" with a filter, added a "torn image" stock photo layer on top to make it look like an old torn photo. -
Aoidh (
talk) 20:09, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
User has created a number of articles and has uploaded numerous images to commons. A fuller investigation may be appropriate.--
☾Loriendrew☽☏(ring-ring) 21:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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