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The result was keep. Consensus, though slim, was to keep after article's sourcing was improved. ( non-admin closure) Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:09, 21 October 2015 (UTC) reply

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Unfortunately this is another case where sources may not be easily accessible, if any exist, and without anything to confirm this information including after all this time, there's nothing to suggest keeping (We have different standards here so maybe Arabic Wiki can keep it where standards may not be as high and maybe someone can eventually improve it). This will need attention after all this time and definitely familiar attention if it is to be improved. SwisterTwister talk 04:47, 30 September 2015 (UTC) reply

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• Neutral. If we take the unreferenced article text at face value, he was a member of the Senate of the Kingdom of Libya, which would make him presumptively notable. But I cannot find any list of the members of the 1952 Libyan Parliament (especially the appointed upper house, to which this individual is claimed to belong). This is clearly an access and cultural bias issue; sources that list the members of the first Senate of the Kingdom of Libya must exist, but without access to them, our options are badly constrained. Squeamish Ossifrage ( talk) 19:17, 7 October 2015 (UTC) reply

• Keep. Soman, below, did an excellent job of providing exactly the sources that I was unable to locate. At some point, there will have to be an editorial decision about what the WP:COMMONNAME transliteration of his name should be. Our article is currently titled Ahmed Rafiq Almhadoui, but uses Ahmed Rafiq al-Mahdawi in prose. The cited journal article below uses both Ahmed Refiq al Mahdevi and Ahmed Refik el-Mehdevi in its English abstract. That sort of thing didn't make sourcing easier... Regardless, that's an editorial issue, and not a concern for AFD. Squeamish Ossifrage ( talk) 14:45, 12 October 2015 (UTC) reply

• Many thanks. "Refik el-Mehdevi" is clearly a Turkish transliteration, al-Mahdawi would be closer to English practice. -- Soman ( talk) 15:21, 12 October 2015 (UTC) reply

• Speedy Keep. AfD is not the place to ask for a clean-up of an article. And the notability of the individual is easily confirmed. For example, there's a book published about in in 1991, by the title " The Great National Poet: Ahmed Rafiq Almahadoui". Another book was published in 1988, titled " Rafiq, Poet of the Fatherland: Studies on the Libyan Poet Ahmed Rafiq Almhadaoui and the Modern Literary Movement in Libya". Another book was published in 1968, titled " Ahmed Rafiq Almhadaoui, Libyan Poet in the Modern Era", and so forth. Here is a street named after him in Benghazi, https://books.google.com/books?id=lPaNiy3YisIC&pg=PA129 . Here an academic reference (with summary in English) for his status as national poet and Member of Parliament; http://ktp.isam.org.tr/pdfdrg/D01777/2005_22/2005_22_CEVIZN.pdf -- Soman ( talk) 14:29, 12 October 2015 (UTC) reply

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