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The result was delete‎. Owen× ☎ 08:38, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

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WP:BLP of a journalist, not properly sourced as passing notability criteria for journalists. As always, journalists are not "inherently" notable enough for Wikipedia articles just because their work exists, and have to pass WP:GNG on third-party coverage -- analysis about the significance of their work, evidence of winning a notable journalism award, and on and so forth.
You don't establish a journalist as notable by referencing the article to sources where she's the bylined author of content about other things, you establish a journalist as notable by referencing the article to sources where she's the written-about subject of content written by other people. But this is referenced entirely to the self-published websites of her employers or other organizations that she's been directly affiliated with, and shows absolutely no evidence of GNG-worthy coverage about her or her work at all. Bearcat ( talk) 18:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Journalism, and United States of America. Bearcat ( talk) 18:35, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Should not be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abigailbassett ( talk • contribs) 00:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Draftify As per WP:Journalist "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series"

Bassett won an Emmy award for her work, and as noted in the article, the page was under construction and I planned on finding the sources today, and if not would have draftified it myself.

While you are correct, it's borderline absurd to believe that all the pages which listed her bio are lying about her award winning status. Also, the reason I did not create a draft initially, is because I recently had a draft stolen and published to mainspace, and was told by admins "It's whoever publishes to mainspace first." Comintell ( talk) 18:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Nobody assumed that any source was lying, but the problem was, is and remains that notability can never be established by sources that an article subject was directly affiliated with, and can only be established by third parties covering her and her work independently of her. Even an award still has to have been written about as news, somewhere other than her own staff profiles on the websites of her own employers, before it turns into a valid notability claim, because even awards are still only notable if they get reported as news by a source that doesn't represent the awarded entity simply tooting its own horn.
Also, nobody "owns" Wikipedia content, so I don't understand your "I had a draft stolen" story at all — what did anybody owe you there, and what is it preventing you from now? Bearcat ( talk) 19:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

You're right I may have jumped the gun here, and this isn't ready for mainspace. Asking closing admin to close as a draftify Comintell ( talk) 19:15, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

@ Comintell, if you like to work "privately" on drafts, rather than using draftspace, you might want to make userspace drafts instead. Other editors typically won't touch those, at least not without talking to you first. They aren't easy for other editors to find, so if you're working on a topic that's in the news, it's best to work in draftspace so others don't duplicate your work. -- asilvering ( talk) 22:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Hi there, I'm Abigail Bassett (the actual journalist that this page is about) and I have no idea how it was created, and I see that it was only built a few days ago. I received a random (questionable) email message about it and have been working on updating and editing it to meet Wikipedia needs and to be accurate to my career. I won the Peabody as part of the team that produced coverage of Hurricane Katrina at CNN, and for my work on Lou Dobb's Tonight's Education and Immigration series. Here is the Peabody link I was part of the CNN Presents production, and worked for Anderson Cooper during that time. Here is a link to the Lou Dobbs Emmy the staff won. Also, here is the Wikipedia link to his profile which also confirms this. I have also appeared on camera for CNN (a couple of sample links are here and here) I'm happy to provide more if needed. My work is also referenced in this Wikipedia article about Fisker. Abigailbassett ( talk) 16:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia. While I am certain you meet the criteria, the current sourcing style isn't sufficient or correct. Furthermore, it is highly discouraged for subjects of an article to edit their own page. Thank you for disclosing who you are though and you do great work! Comintell ( talk) 01:18, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Thanks for the welcome and the compliment. I tried to email the person who reached out about this page, but the email has now bounced (after it attempted delivery for a week). I believe it was a scam. Since I am not versed at all in what the correct sourcing might be (and admittedly absolutely terrible at javascript, etc.), and since I can't edit it myself, is there a way you or someone might be able to help me fix it? I'm happy to send links to my work. I also have a headshot if that's helpful. Abigailbassett ( talk) 15:05, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

Abigailbassett: Do you have other sources verifying the awards won? Your name isn't listed on the articles provided for the Peabody or Lou Dobbs Emmy. Significa liberdade (she/her) ( talk) 03:58, 18 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment the article is a mess. Are there any sources about Ms. Bassett that aren't her (contributed) bios on sites where she is an author? Walsh90210 ( talk) 15:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

  Please see the discussion above, as I think it might clarify some things. I'm the actual journalist this is about. I include links to the awards, as well as my CNN on camera work, and my bylines. Since I am not permitted to work on the sourcing issues, I'd love it if someone else could sort it out. I'm happy to provide any additional sources needed. The page was created by someone I believe was trying to scam me, and it had incorrect information all over it. Abigailbassett ( talk) 16:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC) reply

• Comment: Comintell is now blocked as a sock and according to @ Abigailbassett: per our discussion on her talk page, she received a WP:SCAM email about the article possibly being deleted so created an account to participate in the AfD. I have provided her guidance on recreating a new article via AfC in the event this version is deleted. S0091 ( talk) 15:43, 16 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: Per nom. The referencing in this article is a mess. I believe that Bassett could potentially qualify for an article, but the references in this article do not establish notability currently. BullDawg2021 ( talk) 18:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC) reply
• Delete: At present, none of the sources provided establish notability, including those provided by Bassett herself. I've done some Googling and haven't been able to find any better sources that name her specifically. If sources are found relating to the awards (or other potential refs), please ping me. Significa liberdade (she/her) ( talk)

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