You've been on Wikipedia for about 48 hours; maybe you should propose actually meaningful edits to Kiwi Alejandro Camara and learn a thing or two about how Wikipedia is run instead of blowing off at long-time administrators like RasputinAXP. Cool your jets. -- ßίζ· קּ‼ ( talk | contribs) 03:01, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
1. I have been editing the wikipedia for more than a year.
2. I wrote about 20% of the Kiwi Camara article myself, which is more than you or Rasputin can say, and have made other minor improvements to the rest of the article. This is why I was annoyed when it was deleted.
If anyone blew anyone off, it was Rasputin who deleted an article that many people spent considerable time writing, and who "blew off" the views of the large majority of those polled who wished to keep the article he deleted. Why even have a poll if it is going to be ignored? Zigzogger 22:07, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Zig, can we practice civility? Yanksox 22:17, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
I think I have been. What did I say that you consider uncivil? Zigzogger 22:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The previous posts rubbed off that way to me, maybe I read too quickly. Yanksox 22:23, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Well no offense taken. Now if you want to see someone going to far, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Big.P&oldid=53795208
I don't personally object, it's his userpage, not mine. Zigzogger 22:27, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Zig, I understand you're overheated regarding the Camara article, but that's no excuse for violating WP:NPA like this. Please keep a cool head. RasputinAXP c 02:05, 20 May 2006 (UTC) (first warning)
Actually, that wasn't Zig's original statement, if you go to Big P's talk page, that is some that HE said. Yanksox 02:07, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Your talk page isn't yours, it belongs to Wikipedia. You need to show more discrection. Yanksox 02:56, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Zigzogger, please respect the other editors of Classical liberalism article and revert the redirect. There was no consensus to merge these articles. The article was created at 16:08, October 12, 2001. This article is the oldest one that I have ever worked on. How many different editors do you think have worked on this article over the years? How can unilaterally redirecting the article be appropriate? FloNight talk 03:25, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Stop quoting my "biatch" comment every chance you get. The comment has been rescinded a long time ago and bringing it up over and over again, such as on
User talk:Drini, does nothing to improve the encyclopedia. Fruitless comments like "Please note that Big.P has a personal stake for some strange reason" should have nothing to do with your desire to have the Camara article recreated, and as such, I interpret such negative references to me as personal attacks. Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against
personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be
blocked from editing by admins or
banned by the
arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please
resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. (
second warning) --
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04:20, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
User:Zigzogger: Please do not add
obscenities to Wikipedia, like you did in
User:Zigzogger. Injecting unnecessary swear words, racially or sexually abusive comments, or provocative pictures to articles or user pages offends many people. Wikipedia treats such actions as
vandalism and
blocks people from editing for such repeated vandalism.
FloNight
talk
05:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
It's not permitted at this web site to deface pages with {{{1}}}, either in regular text or images. If you continue to violate our policies, your account will be blocked. Jachin 06:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thank you. Jachin 06:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. We invite everyone to contribute constructively to our encyclopedia. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing. However, unconstructive edits are considered vandalism, and if you continue in this manner you may be blocked from editing without further warning. Please stop, and consider improving rather than damaging the hard work of others. Thank you. Jachin 06:07, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
I have blocked you indefinitely for your vandalism, lack of civility, inability to assume good faith and unwillingness to work with others. Broken Segue 07:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
excuse me, but I have NEVER commited vandalism. it appears that someone signed up using the name zigz0gger with a "0" and vandalized pages to frame me. Please review the IP addresses of whoever comitted the vandalism, and you will see that it was not me.
Zigzogger
23:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
I just had a look at the vandalized pages. Someone created a username very close to mine, and then posted similer arguments to the ones that I was making, but did so using profanity, which you will see that I never have used.
Now who might have done such a thing? I suggest looking at "Big.P's" page. I asked him to not call those who disagree with him "biatches." I cannot think of who else would have such a vandetta against me, especially because I have not used wikipedia long. Zigzogger 23:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
from 04:34 to 04:54 on may 21 Big.P was editing wikipedia, including posting on my userpage
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Big.P
From 04:50 - 06:54 may 21 the vandalism for which i was banned was made by someone using the username "zigz0gger" Note that NO vandalism/obsenity occured using my actual username.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/zigz0gger
If you look at my contributions page, you see that I did not use wikipedia at all after 02:19 on may 20th, until I logged in today.
see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Zigzogger
It seems awfully clear that Big.P created a fake user name to frame me for using obsenities and vandalism, both actions he has frequently done himself.
I would really like someone who has access to the IP addresses users post from to get to the bottom of this. There is no one else here who has a motive to defame me other than Big.P, who unlike me has a history of using obsenities on wikipedia (see above). Zigzogger 00:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Look at this strange message posted to crzrussian's talk page, posted about 12 hours after the "zigz0gger" vandalism
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Crzrussian&oldid=54387929#Camara_AfD
The message includes this attack
"If it's any indication, your demeanor also drives me crazy- if you read anything I've placed on your talk page lately, you can see that my tone is one of consensus building, or trying to solve this problem between us, while little barbs like these from you demonstrate your lack of ability to work with others, especially those who have different opinions from you. In my months of editing on Wikipedia, I have never a more pompous editor who has such terrible faith in others and one who will stop at nothing to let their opinions prevail"
and concludes with a threat:
"This is your last warning. If you continue to make personal attacks, you may be blocked for disruption. I'm tired of you constantly harassing me on Wikipedia, directly and indirectly. I told you if you left me alone, I'd leave you alone. Please consider those words wisely."
Note that this came about because Big.P was criticized (correctly) for sockpupptry, exactly what I am accusing him of doing right now. Zigzogger 00:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Here are some of the other obsene and/or bizzare things Big.P posted on crzrussian's page
"I am offended that you assume telling you to go to hell is something bad. My religion believes hell is a good place. Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by admins or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you. -- "
"You seem to have a big problem with me. First, you strike down the CSD on Kiwi Alejandro Camara without even so much as contesting it on the talk page first, as if you had the authority and your opinion was the end of it. I find it highly elitist and offensive that you didn't even talk to me about the CSD and just struck it down. Then, after people without accounts made legitimate votes on the AfD, you exploit the fact that I can't afford a static IP by accusing me of sockpuppetry. Only pure malice or dirty agenda could explain shenanigans like these."
[ [1]]
As the description of his edits on the Camara page, Big.P wrote "crzrussian needs to know his damn place" for one edit and "this guy is full of absolute crap" for another.
(scroll to May 4 2006 in the link)[ [2]]
he also wrote on crzrussian's talk page: "You keep threatening me and rubbing WP:NPA in my face, but you should realize that I'm pissed off at you because you're being incredibly stubborn about the AfD votes"
and finally he posted the following text on crzrussian's talk page on May 4th "This 'Spinning Disc of Shit' Barnstar is awarded to you because you're full of shit. See, it's spinning! Enjoy!!!"[ [3]]
It's clear now to me what has happened. I didn't "know my damn place" by disagreeing with this guy (to use his words), so he vandalized pages in order to get me blocked. Please unblock me, note on the page where I was blocked that I was framed by someone with a history of abusive language and sockpuppetry, and finally ban this guy for these malicious attacks against me and crzrussian and his many other abuses of wikipedia. Zigzogger 00:52, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, yes, User:zigz0gger is User:Big.P. Check out Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/Zigzogger. However, being incivil doesn't help you. I feel for you, however, having someone create a sockpuppet to get you blocked, while simultaneously trying to act like the 'good person' on your talk page would make a person quite angry. If the admin follows the policy on suckpuppets, your timer is reset. Unfortunatly for you, you had two timers going at some point in this, one on each account. Just, try to be calm, for now. Using a sockpuppet to impersonate and defame someone isn't a good thing either, so have some good faith that the admins will take care of that matter. Kevin_b_er 01:02, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Zig, I'm sorry I haven't responded, I've been on wikibreak. I've unblocked you based on the Checkuser, and I'm currently contemplating what to do with Big.P with respect to his repeated socks. Thanks for your patience. Oh. Also, I've blocked Kitteneatkitten indefinitely. RasputinAXP c 01:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Welcome back. : - )
RasputinAXP unblocked Zigzogger account and indef blocked User:Kitteneatkitten. Do you want it done like that? Kitteneatkitten is the older account with more edits. Plus you gave evidence in arb com case with it. I thought you might want to keep that account instead of Zigzogger. Let me know if you want to reverse it.
Also, I want to say that I'm very sorry that you were falsely blocked. I saw the messages that were put on your user page by Big P. Big.P likely mentioned me in the messages because I was mediating the content dispute on the Classical liberalism article. I think Big.P was trying to cause me to block you and have bad feeling towards you. That was very wrong! Now that you are back, I hope that you can have a calm editing experience at Wikipedia from this time forward. Take care, FloNight talk 03:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
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Thank you! to everyone who looked into this, in particular for doing so very quickly and over the weekend. FloNight, please do freeze this username and unfreeze my old kitten username. The reason that I made this account is that I did not specify an e-mail address when I first signed up as kitten, only on Friday did I realize that you could add an e-mail address to an old account from the user preferences page. Zigzogger 03:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Well now that I look at the multiple account policy, I don't think the pejoritive "sockpuppet" tag should be placed on my userpage here, nor should either account be blocked. A second account should only be blocked if used to violate a policy. I never did this. I did once get a "three reversion rule" tempory block on a page, but I did not edit that page using my oat the time we were unblocking. ther account during the block. Zigzogger 01:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
That would be OK, but I still don't think I violated any policies. For a period of few days I edited the same article with two nicks, but not in a way that violated any policy. I did not have the two names "talk" to one another, for example, and I think it was clear from the context in the talk page they were both me, that is I had zig respond to people talking to kitten and vice versa because for a few days I had one log-in saved at home and one at work. Zigzogger 20:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Flonight, I was not aware of the policy when I did this, and I promise not to do this again. Furthermore, I will happily agree to on talk page of the one article I used two nicks to edit to clarify that I was both users. I cannot do so now, however, because my IP has been blocked from editing wikipedia. Given what happened to me shortly afterwards, and that I have made many useful contributions to wikipedia, would not a complete pardon for this minor offense, if it even is an offense at all, be in order? If someone wants say why they think my these edits were in bad faith, let them actually accuse me of it rather than penalizing me without even allowing to defend myself against an actual accusation.
I note also the only reason I was blocked in the first place is that Big.P viciously impersonated and framed me.
I feel like I have been punished for someone else’s misdeeds. I read the continued blocking of this nick as a decision of the editors to hold me partially culpable for what Big.P did. There are many reasons one might want to have two nicks, and I have my own. Is it really the policy here to ban a nick for a single possible infraction that was in in no way intended to deceive?
I also am offended by the fact that Big.P was only blocked for a month for what he did, and it appears by looking at his contribution page the block as not even effective. This guy, please remember, during a period in which I was not editing wikipedia, created a fake nickname very close to mine, then attacked other users using obscene language in order to get me banned and discredit the edits that I had been arguing for. And besides this, he has a very long history of using nasty obscene language and personal attacks on other users and had been blocked from wikipedia before.
If you want to impugn my honor by continuing to penalize me, however minor the penalty may be, my motivation for continuing to improve the wikipedia will be greatly diminished, and I think the quality of the project will suffer as a result. Wouldn't you feel the same way? It seems I was permanently punished, while he was given a temporary and seemingly ineffectual slap on the wrist. Flonight, can you please take a moment to imagine someone doing this to you, and how you would feel? Also are you aware that user RJII, who continously undid my edits to classical liberalism and goaded me in other ways, has now been banned for attacking other users and for admitting to being part of an organized and paid plan to inpose a POV on wikipedia?
Finally I respectfully request that RasputinAXP that if he is not willing to unblock me to recuse himself from this matter and refer it to another admin.
All these troubles came about when I objected to a Request for Deletion proposed by Big.P and agreed to by Rasputin because there was a large majority vote against deletion and because the article proposed for deletion did not fit the criteria. Thus in a very contentious Request for Deletion, RasputinAXP sided against me (and the majority of those who voted) and with someone who maliciously attacked and impersonated me, and I do not think he can make an objective determination of what proper way to deal with either the question banning Big.P and this nick.
Also, please don't forget, at minimum, to remove the sockpupput label and tag as you proposed above and replace with a redirect. Even that, however, I still feel is punative.
Zigzogger 22:29, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
One more point to make. Today I used Kitten to edit an article, then made edits to this page. Now I can not continue to make edits to the article on inflation I was editing earlier today, because my IP is blocked.
So I continue to be penalized, to the point I cannot use wikipedia at all today, because someone impersonated and attacked me. And this guy has not been effectively punished at all, and continued to make edits just a few days after he was supposedly blocked!
I strongly feel anything short of an unblock of this nick, even the compromise of a redirect proposed by FloNight, together with a permanent ban of Big.P, would still be very unfair to me.
Zigzogger 22:49, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Having two accounts does not violate any rule, only using the two accounts in a dishonest or abusive way. I did not do this. Both my home and work IP's are blocked.
The issue is not that I can't use both accounts, but that after being framed and banned for something, even after the framing was recognized all of the penalties were not lifted, namely the blocking of this account and the label of sockpuppet attached to it. Zigzogger 21:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry that I didn't see your reply sooner. I put your request on AN/I for review. See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#WPKitteneatkitten requests their sockpuppet Zigzogger be unblocked. You can explain your situation there as well. Take care, -- FloNight talk 21:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)