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How ignorant.
Sruffaunoughterluggatoora is Sruthán Uachtar Log an tSamhraidh in Irish, which translates as "Stream of the frozen log (even in) summer". Such a poetic language.
Bastun
Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!
12:56, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
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- I bet you think Llanfairpwllgwyngyll etc. etc. is a perfectly reasonable name for a town.
Zacwill (
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00:48, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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Dull
Twatt.
Bastun
Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!
11:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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Effin
Nobber.
Zacwill (
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12:04, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
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Hi
Zacwill
Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton's
coat of arms is recognised by the
College of Arms and is clear for all to see: Gules three Bars Or and in chief four Bezants.
It would be interesting were
Lord Lyon to contest this.
Primm1234 (
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06:58, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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Primm1234: Scottish heraldry has a strict system of
cadency. Cameron would not be able to bear those arms undifferenced unless he were the primogenital heir of the
original bearer, which he isn't (I don't know what the exact line of descent is, but I do know that he's a second son). We can assume that the arms Cameron matriculated in the Lyon Register incorporated some kind of differencing mark, possibly a
bordure.
Zacwill (
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07:17, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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Zacwill: I agree... (but only basis
Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton submits to the
law of arms in
Scotland).
- Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton's
arms can be displayed Gules three Bars Or and in chief four Bezants. Since the
College of Arms recognises his
usage of these
arms, and in consultation with
Garter King of Arms Lord Cameron took the
territorial designation of
Chipping Norton,
Lord Lyon would need to set down why
Scots Law should prevail for an
armiger resident in
England (qv.
York Herald).
- Over to
Lyon King of Arms (perhaps you could submit a
Freedom of Information Request?), but without such clarification Gules three Bars Or and in chief four Bezants remains perfectly legitimate.
- Best
Primm1234 (
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07:44, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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Primm1234: the problem is that you've introduced an unsubstantiated claim into the article. Without seeing the matriculation, you can't assert that the arms were matriculated "without differentiation". This is very likely to be untrue, for the reason I outlined above. Cameron is resident in England, yes, but Scottish rules apply when dealing with the Lord Lyon.
Zacwill (
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07:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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- @
Zacwill
- I shall amend "without differentiation" to "without making mention of differentiation", should that suffice until the
Lyon Court clarifies (
matriculation ofc does not necessarily involve
cadency, although I believe you & I agree it ought to in this case). Most ambiguous - RSVP
Lord Lyon...
- Best
Primm1234 (
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08:24, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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Primm1234: I think it would be better if the previous wording were restored. For one thing, the arms seen in the tweet are not "Lord Cameron's" – they are Sir Ewen's, as York Herald says himself.
Zacwill (
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08:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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- The whole section could be made much more concise, in fact. All we really need to say is: "Cameron's great-great-grandfather, Sir Ewen Cameron, was granted arms by the Lord Lyon in 1905. Cameron has matriculated a version of these arms. Since his mother is an heraldic heiress, he is also entitled to quarter the arms of Mount."
Zacwill (
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09:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
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Zacwill: Like it! Cheers
Primm1234 (
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00:06, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
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@
Zacwill
Thanks so much for excellent help with
Lord Cameron of Chipping Norton’s arms...
I’ve got myself in a bit of a pickle ref.
Annabel Warrender. I created this article trusting that it should be self-evident that she is worthy of inclusion, if for no other reason than Lady Colgrain is the current
Lord Lieutenant of Kent.
However, I’m pretty sure I’ve put the wrong subject title: Warrender is her maiden name, and she was known as the Hon. Mrs Campbell until her husband succeeded to his family’s hereditary peerage as the
4th Baron Colgrain. So, unlike
peeresses
in their own right who may be styled
Baroness, wives of barons are afforded the
courtesy style of The Lady... suo matrimonio.
Cognoscento, you’ll further understand that although Lady Colgrain can be addressed as such verbally, formally she is the Lady Colgrain, so as not to be confused for the wife of a baronet or knight!
Much obliged for your expert guidance – RSVP.
Primm1234 (
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20:03, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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- Shouldn't it be "Annabel Campbell, Baroness Colgrain"?
Zacwill (
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22:36, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
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- Dear
Zacwill
- I agree –
Annabel Campbell, Baroness Colgrain would be a better way to
name the article.*
- Many thanks & how to change it svp?
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Primm1234 (
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21:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)
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After reading your latest edit note I see your point, the section should stay up but i'll try and find a citation to prove that the reaction was primarily negative.
MJ9674 (
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19:46, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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- My preference would still be to remove the section altogether. Why do we need to hear Morrissey's take on the atrocity? Morrissey has also said that he considers the Chinese to be subhuman; does that mean the article "
Chinese people" should contain a section discussing his remarks?
Zacwill (
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20:49, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
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I have reinstated some of the material you removed and added a bit more. This island/peninsula issue is one of a number of such conundrums - see also
Fraoch-Eilean for example and I think spelling out the different views makes most sense. I am not so active these days but let's discuss on the talk page at SW if need be.
Ben
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13:44, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
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20:18, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
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