Hi YellowMonkey. I have partially replied to your query
here, but I'll add some occurences of our disputes here.
Talk:Francis Hassett/References is the example I was referring to when he was adding OR medals and references that violated
WP:VER, and it ended up quite heated. Another (
Talk:Neville Howse) where I disputed the entitlement to a medal, he disputed it (angrily) and it ended up that I was right (after another heated debate). Another
[1] calling me wrong about a person not being entitled to a certain medal when it turned out I was right there also. These are only a few examples I can think of, and I'm not here to say that "it's all his fault, here's the proof", just give you some examples that we have had a few arguments in the past. I know that in a few instances (Hassett's for example) I have not behaved well, but I'm just sick of it all and having a lot of my edits questioned. The main reason, also, that I was ticked off over the VC see also thing was that it was like I had just told a child who was doing the wrong thing (I'm not calling Anotherclown a child, of course, just the comparision works here) that he was in fact doing wrong, and then Pdf coming along and saying to the child keep doing it.
Abraham, B.S. (
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05:49, 19 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Hey
For sure, I will have a look through! Not sure if
Notorious is out yet in Australia, but if you are bored, go and see it; it'll explain my not-so-subtle nickname for you. Hope things are well dude --
Samir05:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I still feel immensely beholden to you for tracking down the sock puppets that had been after me for seven months (Starwood arbitration, to refresh your memory). I would do more in copy editing your articles if cricket were not so over my head. I know you are a wonderful wikiperson. And, I want to thank you again for what you did for me, though I'm sure that was not your motivation. I think it was you, who made the sardonic remarks in relation to one of the sockpuppets who had claimed to be a waitress in Dublin, but was now suddenly in a car traveling to Austin, Texas, sharing a laptop with another sockpuppet, as an explanation for the overlapping edits. Thank you again. Regards, —
Mattisse (
Talk)
05:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Oops, I forgot to reply to you to thank you for pointing out the problem which you saw in the articles. :) I am not really fussed if they pass GAN or not, but I figured if they're already close to that level they may as well get the right rating. And if they're not, then, meh, I did my best on them. -
Mark04:29, 21 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Hello, have you noticed that the Australian War Memorial's online collection database has about a dozen good quality PD photos of Keith Miller playing with the RAAF team in 1945?
Nick-D (
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07:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I just wonder if there is not some workaround that could show all of the links in the one note for each occurance of the vast list of notes. It would not make the notes section much smaller but have the article text a little more reasonable (i.e. something like:
<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/18/18403.html|title=Worcestershire v Australians: Australia in British Isles 1948|publisher=CricketArchive}}{{cite web|url=http://www.cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/18/18406.html|title=Leicestershire v Australians: Australia in British Isles 1948|publisher=CricketArchive}} all accessed 21 January 2009</ref>
except expanded for up to 10 to 15 links in the one note). The notes section would be messy, but better the notes section look a litle untidy as opposed to looong lists of citations trailing text in the article itself. Just a thought, and I have no idea if it would work in a practical sense. Cheers,
Mattinbgn\talk00:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Barnstar
The Cricket Barnstar
For your work on many local and international cricket articles. An absolute amazing effort. Also your blog on Neil Harvey V Matthew Hayden was one of best cricket articles I've read for a long time. Magnificent.
Aaroncrick (
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05:04, 22 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Not to take anything away from modern batsmen, but imagine how much Sir Don would have averaged if he feasted on teams like Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, West Indies and New Zealand on flat pitches and with much improved protection! Also many of the grounds are a lot smaller and roped in even more.
Aaroncrick (
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06:11, 22 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Well done! When you have them loaded up, please send me the link. Which location(s) were you at?
No, I wasn't there - I was busy being domestic, clearing gutters and putting in fireproof metal gutter-guard. (The plastic stuff is much easier to work with, but not very useful in a fire - it makes me wonder about plastic rainwater tanks ... )
BTW:
2009 Tour Down Under only mentions 20-25 Jan - perhaps you may wish to add a "pre-event" section?
At Rymill Park. They got all the teams to line up on stage and that made it relatively easy although the blazing sun and the sunshade made an odd effect where their faces were relatively dark and their torsos and jerseys were glary so that was quite annoying. The race proper starts tomorrow. This was like the prologue and didn't count for anything. I take it you like in the hills where there is a fire danger? Take care for you and your family. I can't say I was in much danger yesterday, except the middle-aged man standing next to me in the second row wanted more than 30 cm radius of room (which nobody had, I had a news cameraman perching his stuff on my head at one point) and he kept on sticking out his elbows and jabbing me in the ribs trying to be get rid of me and mumbling his displeasure. YellowMonkey (bananabucket)
02:06, 19 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I'm ashamed to admit I didn't even think of going - I should have. :) I'll need to remember to try and attend big events too, and grab what photos I can. But yours look great. :) -
Bilby (
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07:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)reply
By-the-way: How/when did you wrap up the previous poll, what was/were the result(s), and how did you / are you going to use the results? Cheers,
Pdfpdf (
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08:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Hey, I noticed your invitation to vote on some talkpage somewhere and decided to crash. Wonder how it feels to have a perpetual orange bar at the top of your pages. Do you have any pics of the better sex? Voting on dudes is less titillating, and I come to WP to get titillated :-) --brewcrewer(yada, yada)04:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I'll get to reviewing it tomorrow. I signed up for several at the same time, which was probably dumb since it slowed me down. since the article's not too lengthy it shouldn't take too much time (the other one I'm reviewing is 100kb+).
Wizardman05:37, 21 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I've passed this article for GA. Congrats! I left a few suggestions for improvement if you plan to bring it to FAC, on the review page.
Ealdgyth -
Talk04:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Islamic Inventions
Hello. Sorry, saw your entry on my talk page just now. Do not know about any other articles such as these two, but I have seen that user now for over a year copying and pasting badly researched and consistently one-sided material in all kinds of articles. He has over 40,000 edits, so you know...I think his consistent misquotation and overinterpretation of sources has brought POV to a new level in Wikipedia, because people tend to believe in assertions more if thez are backed up by a footnote. They are less prone to assume that the information is taken out of context or subtly modified to suit fix preconceptions. Thats why it has been so hard to come this new method. It needs hundreds of footnotes to be checked and most third party observers do not have the time, nor the interest to completely rewrite articles which were written wrongly from the scratch. A case in point is
Talk:Inventions of the Islamic Golden Age. The net result is that, while many believe the article to be POV and have tried to improve it, many dubious assertions are still there and spread their message.
Exactly my thoughts - and my experience. It is very difficult to come by this mass production of NPOV articles and entries. I feel this begins to affect Wikipedia. A more rigorous application of deleting policy may have a deterring effect. I find it frustating when people vote for keep, but then nothing ever happens in improving these articles, what needs a HUGE amount of time and patience. Better delete and give somebody other a new chance to do it better from the outset.
Gun Powder Ma (
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16:33, 24 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Hi YellowMonkey, I picked up on this discussion through the two related afds. I'm currently looking into one particular source used in one of the islamic science afd articles, and over 100 other articles, which seems to follow this same trend of non-neutral/revisionist history of invention: "Rocket Technology in Turkish history". I've posted it on the sources discussion board (
Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Rocket_Technology_in_Turkish_history) and wonder how to approach cleaning up an unreliable source that has been used in so many articles.
Dialectric (
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15:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Good idea. I would have been harsher, but I'd been following what he was doing for a while now; if he made some excuse I was going to get harsher. But, fortunately, that's all dealt with now. Back to being productive!
Skinny87 (
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07:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)reply
P.S. - America did "lose" the Vietnam War, that sounds like a weird dispute already ;)
"Soapboxing account"
I was wondering what you meant by this in your block of
User:Spinnaker gybe. I am not familiar with that as a valid blocking reason and I am unclear as to how this user was being disruptive. I am not going to unblock without consulting with you, but my current feeling is that this user should be unblocked. Please let me know. Andre (
talk)
01:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I noticed a few other examples of this block reason in your recent contribution history. It seems that in several instances you have blocked users who have only ever edited talk pages. How this is disruptive I fail to understand, and certainly an indefinite block with no warnings is a gross abuse of admin powers and an example of newbie biting. Andre (
talk)
01:41, 26 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Just because some others seem to agree with you doesn't mean that you don't have to cite an appropriate part of the blocking policy. I don't think seeming to know too much about past and policy is a fair reason to block someone indefinitely. "I think you should be more cynical with some folks" -- this is the very opposite of AGF. Andre (
talk)
06:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)reply
The idiot is back and editing from 118.92.x addresses. Would it be possible to implement a similar anon-only block for 118.92.x for a week or so to send a message, or is this too broad? The 118.92.x addresses they've used are:
Sir, I just want you to be aware that lots of tags are being thrown around by PManderson and Fowler, and edits are being proposed by Fowler without prior discussion, after loosing their case at FAR. If this continues, please do lock up the article to help these users come to the discussion board. Some of the discussions on theri talk pages, after the FAR closed, seemed to be inclined toward their taking an aggressive stand and making edits without discussions.
Dineshkannambadi (
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16:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Hey, you had stopped by this article after a Rfc I posted. I'm dealing with at least one stubborn editor who is not only jealously guarding the article against edits by non-Sindhis (her words), refuses to respond to requests for discussion. I don't want to move arbitration just yet, but I can't find any precedent for a situation where one party refuses to talk. Any help would be appreciated.
Hi YellowMonkey, I can see you have protected the Sindhi People page, but why have you saved it with Gamesmaster9's last edit. His edits make no sense and he does not site any references, alot of his edits need citation, my edits provided references and was well sourced I hope you can revert
Can't wait to see the photos, and thanks for the edits on York Park. Many (Most!) of the photos on cricket players have been taken by you! Sorry couldn't haven't been able to reply on your talk page, because the internet here has gone slow and your talk page won't fully load. =) Aaroncrick (Tassie Talk)
08:51, 27 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Thanks for fixing the my mistakes on Ricky Ponting. ;) The heat is obviously getting to me, lol. I've never really edited a cricket article, only local tassie stuff because there isn't much action on articles down here. I gathered I might do some editing on Ricky because he's not exactly your favorite player. Although he is mine along with Tendulkar, but hey I do come from good old Launnie! Aaroncrick (Tassie Talk)
10:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Hi, thanks for that. You might have noticed the stack of photos that I took that are listed right on my talk page and on commons that I took at the start of the TDU. They might be of some use to you. I don't know if you write WNews articles but South Africa beat Australia in their
ODI series yesterday and that was on Australia Day. I went to the training session on Jan 25 and took some photos to upload. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!)
00:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)reply
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