The edits you made to the "Ash quote" at Xenomorph (Alien) are indeed grammatically sound. However they are not verbatim, as filmic quotations should be. I hope you understand. (Broadacre 11:29, 29 March 2006 (UTC))
Since you have edited the article, I thought it would be helpful to inform you that it has been nominated for deletion. I am notifying as a normal part of the AfD process. --Habap 14:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the link Sweetback from the Sade article because that word currently points at Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song, the seventies movie. It would seem more sensible to me to either disambig the word or have Sweetback point to the band, with the movie being Sweetback (movie) or Sweet Sweetback or whatever, but at the moment it isn't and I didn't want you to think I was being a pest or looking for some oddly specific edit war :) StuartDouglas 21:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Quote:fair enough, but what's MySpace have to do with their marriage? As you didn't wait for an answer and removed the sentence without discussion I assume that was a rhetorical question. Still, I'll answer it. It was relevant to their divorce, not marriage, and to Sheri's status as a songwriter in her own right, albeit not sufficiently well-known IMHO to have her own Wikipedia page. Nik Kershaw was originally listed as one of her friends on MySpace, but has since been removed - the implication might reasonably be drawn that the divorce was not that amicable. Besides, people with an interest in Nik might have an interest in Sheri's career. Can you suggest how else that interest might best be served, given my previously stated opinion that she is not a sufficiently notable person, in Wikipedia's terms, to have her own Wikipedia page? Maybe add her MySpace to the list of external sites? Although some Nik fans seem to feel that all mention of his long-time backing singer and (to quote him) "muse" should be expunged wherever possible, I can't get that excited about it either way. And I'm not a Wikipedia addict so I'm not going to start a feud. Do what you like. NickS 21:46, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Hello again - I see you've removed some rather partisan stuff recently added, but what do you make of this: "The songs from this album were written some years earlier while Nik and Sheri lived at Beslyns in Gt Bardfield."?
NickS16:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)reply
I notice you removed within a few minutes an anecdote added anonymously about how Nik Kershaw found his manager Micky Modern, as "uncited". Google shows that the essence of the story is related by Kershaw in an interview transcribed (with typos) at
http://www.nikkershaw.it/press/interviews/2002interview.php?id=8 Is it not Wikipedia policy to flag such statements as uncited and allow time for a citation to be added?
NickS (
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22:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)reply
Wow, you've really made me eat my words on Epsion Radiation, and I hope we can make that article better, adding the information that you answered to me. Slartibartfast1992 22:39, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Infinity Warrior
I ask of why you removed my comments. I have doctumented them and have been to many websites to prove them fact. That was unnecessary of you as you have weakened the page. I am not trying to be rude here but there was no reason for you to delete my post.
Has the inclusion of third-party references satisfied your specific desire for notability? If so, please remove the notable tag from the entry. More can be added if it is deemed necessary. -- Metahacker 16:18, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
It's a fair point, there is no definitive release date for the game but I figured this was as good as it's going to get until they eventually announce the final date. I guess I'm just digging around for anything I can get at the moment on this release! --
KASanderson08:50, 27 May 2007 (UTC)reply
Hi. I saw that you restored the magazine and film listing that I had deleted from
Charmaine Sinclair. In case you didn't know, I wanted to let you know that the listing was removed from the article in December (see
Talk:Charmaine Sinclair#An overview of much-needed changes) and moved to
Charmaine Sinclair/disputed content. The anon editor cut and pasted that "article" back into
Charmaine Sinclair. Since it was deemed "unnecessary" and judged that it "did not add any encyclopedic value to the article" based on
WP:WPPORN#Filmographies, I figured that the same thinking still applied. If you think that something has changed since December, I'm happy to leave the listing in
Charmaine Sinclair.
Who are you, man, to decide to remove information about facts from wikipedia? Did you remove anything about twin towers because they are destroyed? —Preceding
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Jpiw (
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Hi! I've noticed you've made quite a few edits to the Elite article, while some are good I disagree with the removal of some information, though you're right that it shouldn't be in a trivia section - it may be good to work it into the article somehow (stuff like the BBC micro's mode switching). I do also feel that the rating system is an important part of the game - it's where the title of the game comes from, after all.
Xmoogle09:18, 23 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Mentioning the ranks that can achieved and that "Elite" is the final one is fine. A list of all ranks and what points are required to reach them is game guide material, and not suitable for inclusion in an encyclopedia.
Xihr 20:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)reply
Um, quite the reverse. It used the wording right off the machine. Also, there were other edits you lost by doing a reversion. I suggest you reconsider.
Denimadept00:44, 25 August 2007 (UTC)reply
I am not aware of any guideline or policy that allows removal of a !vote, however frivolous to be perceived, during an AfD. I'm certainly aware of no guideline or policy that allows removal of such a !vote and replies to it by third parties. This seems completely inappropriate.
[1][2] Xihr 00:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)reply
The people who replied were probably unaware he was trolling. As someone who has closes afds from time to time, I'm telling you that comments made in bad faith are completely disregarded in determining consensus. My logic behind these removals is that closing admins who don't do a thorough job checking over the voters may be swayed by his silliness, even though looking over his contributions show's he was just mindlessly disrupting the process. Now I will be re-removing the trolling, and if you think it should be replaced you may post to the
administrators' noticeboard.
Picaroon(t)00:21, 10 September 2007 (UTC)reply
If your concern is about closing admins giving it too much weight, then the proper response would be to indicate so with a followup response, rather than remove comments and responses that you did not write with no explanation in the edit summary.
Xihr 01:33, 10 September 2007 (UTC)reply
Just to let you know, I plan on working on a RFC on Epbr123 sometime tomorrow, unless someone beats me to it. So if you have any additional evidence in the way of page diffs, other than those provided by Cheeser1 on
the Wikiquette Alerts page, please post them there so that they can be added to the forthcoming RFC. --
Joe Beaudoin Jr.Think out loud03:54, 10 September 2007 (UTC)reply
User:Cheeser1's diffs are pretty complete, at least in the breadth of
User:Epbr123's misbehavior, if not every single example of them (there are far too many to individually list at this point). If need be, I might add examples of his initial actions that precipitated the edit war on
List of big-bust models and performers, as well as his long, unending, leading questions on its talk page in order to keep the argument going. Another good example of his disruption is simply (and falsely) accusing people of engaging in whatever behavior he's been accused of, apparently as an attempt to try to even the scales. I meant to mention, if there's something specific you want from me for the RfC, let me know.
Xihr 04:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)reply
I agree. I still think the link is inappropriate, but obviously the much bigger problem here was the defacement, AfD, and further bizarre behavior by
User:Epbr123. Compared to that, the link staying or going is of little importance.
Xihr 23:03, 13 September 2007 (UTC)reply
That source I posted did have a few skeptical comments from users posting their thoughts after the article. Albeit almost all were "you're the man" comments. I did find some source calling it
Vaporware and since it's been 8 years and no results that seems relevant to leave the skepticism comment in. I'll look for the vaporware source. Found it:
| Elite 4 ForumsAlatari05:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)reply
Have you even read the
Elite 4 article? Any product that hasn't even shown interactive demos within 7 years of production time is highly suspect that it will even be produced. The wording maybe changed a bit but the gist of the skepticism about whether the game will even be made will need to stay in the article. I'll find some industry experts who also believe the game is a dead end and link their articles.
Alatari08:36, 14 September 2007 (UTC)reply
Searched for 'Vaporware "Elite 4"' and have found 6 forums with at least 10 different user names stating they are serious fans and believe it will never happen. One on Digg wrote this article:
|Why there'll never be an Elite 4. How many post on how many different forums stating skepticism before it becomes noteworthy and verified? Hmmm.... Still gathering evidence then
Alatari09:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)reply
The German language Wikipedia lists Elite 4 on their article about Vaporware as a top example:
German Wikipedia Vaporware and yes I know we can't source other Wikipedia's. Looking for that ringer of a published authority who states what the evidence is pointing towards.
Alatari09:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)reply
It looks like Frontier might get this thing published. Hopefully it will do the Elite universe justice. Also wonder how relations between MMO Elite and EVE Online will be.
Alatari11:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)reply
How come you're removing a paragraph as 'trivia' when it is clearly a information about the difference between this particular port of Starflight vs the other versions of this game? --
Bhaak11:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)reply
Because it's trivial information about an obscure port that has no place here. Mentioning the ports is fine, but going into excrutiating detail about how precisely the ports were different from the original in terms of difficulty and exact placement of things is
not constructive.
Xihr 20:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)reply
Cobb said, "I wanted to imply that poor old England is back on its feet and has united with the Japanese, who have taken over the building of spaceships". Since Weyland/Wayland is an Englishsmith, a god of makers of things from metal, I felt (like a prior editor who'd inserted this) that it was relevant. Is this unreasonable, or just O.R.? --
Orange Mike15:03, 11 October 2007 (UTC)reply
ah - conflict of interest. But even if the poster is the guy who made the movie, I still think the math-journal reviews are legitimate additions. Why aren't they? -
DavidWBrooks00:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)reply
I did re-add them - you took them out again. They strike me as legitimate, regardless of his/her intentions. What matters is the quality of the article, right? -
DavidWBrooks10:29, 19 October 2007 (UTC)reply
Assuming that you know, can you tell me why the Shays' Rebellion article is currently protected? There is no discussion on the talk page about editorial conflicts---though, to be honest, the talk page is such a mess it is damned near worthless---and there is, in fact, so little content in the article, and so little referencing for what content is there, I am not sure where or over what a conflict would have arisen. Has the page been a target for a great deal of vandalism? If you know, I would be grateful if you would tell me.
Yeah, it's been on the receiving end of a massive amount of (very immature) vandalism, not legitimate edit conflicts. I assume that the cause is someone covering Shays' Rebellion in an elementary school social studies class somewhere and that the teacher encouraged them to research on Wikipedia, and/or they have access to the Internet from school, though I don't know for sure.
Xihr 07:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)reply
Yes, that makes perfect sense to me. This, I assume, is also the reason that we get spates of vandalism to other articles involving the colonial and Revolutionary war periods. Alas... The internet (and Wikipedia in particular) can be a great tool, or it can be merely a source of amusement. Mores the pity that for a great many people it is more the latter than the former. Thank you for your response. ---
RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive'16:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)reply
What is your problem. These links have been up on that page forever, and they're a resource. There is no adds, there is no promotion, hell there isn't even any links on the pages. And the Text files are over 20 years old now, even the phone numbers on them to Apple BBS's from 1985 are all useless. Would it help if the link was to the same files via Textfiles.com?
BcRIPster (
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17:31, 24 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Hi Xihr, regarding
this edit, I placed {{fact}} tags on a couple of “quotes” because I haven’t found anything in the game to verify them. Although they may be uncontroversial, they seem like speculation of original research. Where in the game does the player learn that the message specifically “warns that Betruger's tests are threatening to overload the portal's containment fields”? The players know that the catastrophic scenario takes place, but can they be sure that's exactly what message contained?
When do the players learn that the demons are “confident that the only key to their defeat lies safely in their hands”? The best quote I can find in support of this statement is in pak003.pk4->sound\vo\delta2b\bet_soulcube_in_hell.ogg, but that does not prove that the demons are confident about having the Soul Cube. I hope you understand that my intention is to remove all the original research within the Plot section.
Lastly, why did you restore the information about the radio chatter of various teams? Even if it is a part of the plot, it is insignificant, and it is explained in further detail at the bottom of the
#Presentation section. —
LOL (
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20:21, 24 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Hi, just regarding your reversion of the Buckaroo Banzai page with the following comment "rv highly suspicious (poorly written) claims", sorry if it was poorly written, but all you had to do was google any of the new titles I put in to verify the legitimacy of what was added. You can also verify it on the Moonstone Boooks page:
http://www.moonstonebooks.com/banzai.asp
Can I suggest you re-write what I had added into more acceptable prose.
89.101.242.183 (
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12:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)reply
Thank you for your brief commentary on the
Dewmocracy article. Would you mind elaborating on what material you feel is worthy of merging? I do not see how a merge would be beneficial given the trivial and non-notable nature of the information presented, and believe that shuffling it over to
Mountain Dew would be a disservice to the people who have worked on that article.
Coccyx Bloccyx23:15, 3 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Why did you revert my last change? You do not need a / after br when doing a break. Maybe you should have checked all that I did before unnecessarily reverting. I put the article back to where YOU said it should be. Then I removed the /'s because they aren't necessary and they aren't uniform to other articles' infoboxes. The revert you did was unnecessary. I had previously removed the unnecessary character summary additions to what you had. Your reverts weren't in good faith, IMO. Please explain.
KellyAna (
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22:32, 15 December 2007 (UTC)reply
They aren't required, and they aren't wrong, either. They're perfectly valid. Try to concentrate on edits that will improve the appearance of the article, rather than edits no reader will ever see.
Xihr (
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23:24, 15 December 2007 (UTC)reply
That was rude. Did you miss the part where I DID improve the article by removing the edits you had previously removed? You seem to be asserting ownership over the article by making unnecessary reverts. Your explanation clearly indicates a "your way or the highway" attitude about the formatting, which is not compliant with Wikipedia policy. Your reverts were unnecessary and your edit summary was inappropriate. As I have recently been informed, reverting valid edits is definitely showing bad faith.
KellyAna (
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23:28, 15 December 2007 (UTC)reply
You need to fully review all the edits and see that your edit did not assume good faith since you reverted a perfectly legitimate edit. My point is an IP edit came in once, their edits were reverted to your last revision. They came back and I reverted them back to your revision. THEN I removed unnecessary slashes. You reverted those edits (my removal of the slashes) which is considered against good faith. You cannot ask me to assume good faith when you did not on my edits even though I reverted originally to your "request" that character summaries be simple. You REVERTING my removal of the slashes is the definition of NOT assuming good faith so dont tell me to assume good faith.
KellyAna (
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01:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I do believe you are the one making false accusations. I asked a question about your inappropriate reverts. You're the one that went where you did. You obviously assert ownership of articles you don't own. I would further advise you to behave civilly as you have not thus far. I asked a question, you immediately were the one who did not assume good faith and further edited links to make people look bad. It's sad really. Just sad.
KellyAna (
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01:13, 17 December 2007 (UTC)reply
No sweat I have legal copies of all the FreeSpace games except Silent Threat expansion. About the node map. I recall getting it off of the official site. That was some time ago - well over 2 years. It might have been added to the official website despite being a 'fan creation' as you suggested. Volition had done so in the past, especially for missions.
We certainly have
this official map that establishes most of the nodes. Everything else should be in line with all briefing connections in the game. It is not OR to duplicate that info. I suppose we could verify all node related info not mentioned on the official map I just linked. We do know a lot about the subspace nodes from the briefings. For example we do know that the Sol (at the end of the first game) and Capella nodes were severed (at the end of the second game). I suppose we could cite exactly which mission establishes node connections. How does that sound to you?
Well, at the very least the copyright status of the image you posted is in question, and so probably is insuitable. A recreated map from a source map is perhaps borderline original research. A better solution would be to just include the original map you cited above, and get permission to do so. Even in that case, the caption to the image was overlong and didn't need to say much more than "This is a jump node map of the Terran-Vasudan region of space."
Xihr (
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04:15, 17 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Image captions are supposed to explain the contents of the image in question. That is the very point of them. The reader should understand what about the image is significant. The summaries can be longer if an additional description is needed. Explanation over the alterations to the map (destruction of the nodes) only makes sense. The summary wasn't that long either, a mere 3 sentences. Consider various captions on the article
September 11, 2001 attacks and how long they are. Mind that these are description of the photos and not a map. Or consider the article
Tibet with 6 sentences as the caption.
A recreated map from a source map is not any where NEAR original research. We do it all the time on a wide range of articles such as various maps on countries, world and etc (see:
Image:McDonaldsWorldLocations.svg). If a node between two star systems is mentioned on a briefing in the game, thats more than adequate to construct such a map. There is noting original of using information established in the game itself to construct an image. Consider reviewing this:
Wikipedia:No original research#Original_images
We do not need any permission to use images under fair use. Fair use by nature is use without permission for educational purposes. If you mean getting free license permissions that is unlikely to happen.
Please notify me on my talk page so I know you posted a reply.
That is not Wikipedia's current policy. Fair use is not clear or broad enough to save this particular case, since it is not clear exactly who owns the copyright (and the credit is assigned to someone's alias, rather than Volition, Inc. or something more direct). One needs to secure explicit permission, and/or a relicensing, in order to use an image of unknown origin.
Xihr (
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22:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)reply
You removed the two lines of morse code (STENDEC/STR DEC) I had copied from the German WP in the Star Dust article.
Do you really think they constituted "original research"? I thought of it as simply a helpful illustration of the problems with morse and how a miscommunication could arise in this context. Please consider. Cheers! --
Syzygy (
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13:57, 20 December 2007 (UTC)reply
Hi Xihr, you removed my edit because you suspected it to be "linkspam". I'd like to ask you to look into the matter more deeply. Ever played Echoes? It is pretty similar. I was searching for the history of echoes when I stumbled across the game that it probably originated from. Therefore, a link is justified. I leave the matter in your hands however. Do as you think is best. Kind regards, --
Cruzlee (
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15:30, 24 December 2007 (UTC)reply
I'm just writing to see if we can discuss the revert you made to the Quake 2 article. Basically there were three things I added: some information about player models, a screenshot of Quake 2 Max, and a screenshot of Action Quake 2. Since you didn't give an explanation for why you reverted, I'd appreciate it if you could give me one for each of those changes. Thanks.
The technical information involved game guide material that was non-notable; the custom content graphics were also non-notable; and the screenshots are
POV since they concentrate only on a mod of Quake II, and not the game itself, and have questionable copyright status.
Xihr (
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06:02, 18 January 2008 (UTC)reply
First, I didn't add any technical information. In the last edit I made, the changes I made were: 1. A couple of sentences in "Custom Content". 2. A reception section. 3. Three screenshots- one of Action Quake 2, one of Quake 2 Max and one of the Optimus Prime model. So which of those are you referring to? Second, I don't understand what you mean by "game guide material". Third, how are the screenshots of mods here any different to the one of the Ghostbusters mod used in
Doom_(video_game)? Fourth I disagree that the custom content graphics are non-notable. They give people an idea of what custom models look like, and since custom models are used by pretty much everyone who plays Quake 2 online, I think it's a reasonably important feature of the game to illustrate. Anyway, thanks for your quick reply.
Ben 2082 (
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06:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)reply
Could you be more specific concerning the "OR galore" you found in the article? Looking over the article, the only thing I could find that appeared to be OR was the table providing the relationships between Mandrake the Bard's Principles and Virtues.
Kitanin (
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05:26, 22 January 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure what is confusing about the tag, since the entire article consists of posting highly detailed, extrapolated claims without citation.
Xihr (
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05:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)reply
Actually, almost nothing in the article is extrapolation, but is instead directly from the games. (With the aforementioned exception of the relationship between Mandrake's Principles and Virtues, and upon a re-read, the Anti-Virtues.) Basically, the citations will be Ultimas IV-VII, Ultima VII part II, and Ultima Underworld II themselves.
Kitanin (
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08:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)reply
Reference
The Shield: The change you reverted contained analysis, which is
original research unless it is properly attributed to a reliable secondary source. Please see the talk page for a more detailed explaination. Reverted (again). /
Blaxthos (
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12:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)reply
The pronunciation of “Sade” is already given in the lede. Why are you restoring the second note, which is redundant as uses an ad hoc notation instead of the IPA? —
70.183.105.254 (
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04:12, 14 March 2008 (UTC)reply
Because it's traditional, and very few people understand IPA well enough for it to actually be a useful pronunciation guide.
Xihr (
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21:49, 14 March 2008 (UTC)reply
What you're calling “traditional” is really ad hoc. Many people are going to see your second “h”, and wonder if there's an aspiration ad the end of the first syllable. Meanwhile, the IPA as close as we have to a generally understood system. Yes, not everyone knows it, but more people know it than would know, say, [shä·dā´] (which is how The American Heritage Dictionary would represent those sounds). —
70.183.105.254 (
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05:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)reply
His interaction with you has been to insist that there be a “silent R” in the phonetic representation of “Sade”. He has been a willfully disruptive editor, and was blocked. He got unblocked by promising to sin no more. If he returns to disruption, I suggest that you review
his talk page and then contact an admin. —
SlamDiego←T06:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)reply
Xihr, I've reviewed
WP:NOT, and I'm not entirely sure why you invoked it for the deletion of the magazine appearances section of
Charmaine Sinclair. I think the deletion negatively impacts the rationale for the entire article, under
WP:N#Notability requires objective evidence. Since the subject is a glamour model, highlights of her magazine appearances are significant. Perhaps a subset of her appearances, especially as a covergirl and a Playmate model, would be appropriate.
Charmaine1997 (
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01:56, 12 April 2008 (UTC)reply
I do my best to understand the points of those who have concerns over material I contributed. You stated a concern over
WP:COATRACK.
I have had other contributors express a concern over COATRACK. I have asked everyone who stated this concern to be specific about which section(s) of the COATRACK essay they were concerned my contributions ignored. No one has been prepared to be specific. I don't mean to embarrass you if your characterization of the article posing a "definite" COATRACK concern was meant to be taken rhetorically, rather than literally. But, if you meant this to be taken literally, and you still hold that view, I would be very grateful if you were prepared to take the time to be specific.
I found the lack of reply to my query on the part of others who expressed this concern very frustrating, because if I really am oblivious to some aspect of my contributions ignoring the advice of this essay, their unwillingness to reply is not going to help me recognize this, and, well, stop doing it.
You also wrote:
...besides the subject is not as notable as the article purports to be.
It would be a big help to me if you could help me understand which passage(s) you think misleading purports greater notability than Abdul Salaam merited. Is there any way you could see your way clear to spelling that out?
What is your problem with that section in the
Röntgen article? There is no dispute going on here as you indicate in your edit summary. Someone made a simple mistake of misreading the decimal as the thousands separator, which in turn was due to a succession of misconceived formatting edits. It was reverted as being a mistake - there is no actual dispute going on. You also cited OR in your edit summary. Not sure what you mean by that either. The article needs a conversion into modern units otherwise it is not very intelligble or useful and there is no reason to think that the conversions given were OR. An unreferenced tag might have been more appropriate in this case. I am going to restore this, if you still have an issue please state them on the article talk page. SpinningSpark10:01, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
The article already contans proper unit conversions to SI; the equivalent SI unit is the
coulomb. The dispute was over a series of uncited figures that were extrapolated from some unmentioned calculations. Such things
don't belong in Wikipedia.
Xihr (
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20:31, 12 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Same as I told tabernacil, he missed the point because he didn't know what he was defending you about. He thought he was defending was just defending BLP, Which he wasn't. What you spend you time doing is not BLP. Sure a portion of it falls under BLP. But reverting cited references is NOT BLP. Much less the fact when cited references are from the person's official site. You need to watch what you are doing.
Swampfire (
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17:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
He didn't miss the point. He understands
WP:BLP, and you apparently do not. Since you are now maliciously reverting almost all of my edits, you are now entering disruptive territory. If you don't understand WP:BLP policy, then you should stay away from such edits. I emplore you to change your behavior; I don't want to make an issue out of this for you (as you've already got
WP:NPA warnings on your talk page), but if you continue violating WP:BLP policy and continue maliciously reverting my edits, I will be forced to escalate this matter. I don't want to, but you're not leaving me much choice. I emplore you to cease and desist.
Xihr (
talk)
19:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
You're wrong I understand BLP and I also understand your misuse of it. And I am no where near messing with almost all of your reverts. Just the ones I know a few things about. Especially when you do nothing to help the page. In most cases it would take you less than a minute to fix a problem. But for some reason you don't feel like helping improve. In fact you spent more time creating discussion with me, than it would take to fix the problem.
Swampfire (
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19:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I am finding this very frustrating. I have already pointed you to WP:BLP and quoted it directly where it indicates that unsourced material, whether controversial or not, whether positive or negative, must be removed without discussion. That is precisely what I was doing; you were violating WP:BLP in restoring it back without adding citations, which is also mentioned directly in WP:BLP. WP:BLP is very clear about this and is unequivocal since it's required to reduce the chance that Wikipedia gets sued. I see now that you are adding proper citations (not external links, citations) to the articles in question, which is great. That is all that was needed -- and it is what WP:BLP requires. You should be very cautious when reverting WP:BLP sanitations in the future since you are putting the project at greater risk by ignoring clear policy. I am glad that you now appear to be following policy and emplore you to continue doing so.
Xihr (
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19:29, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
You're not understanding, There are several times, where what you did. Does not fall under BLP. But you try to say it does. Removing a valid citation that pointed to the exact page, with the words on it. Is going completely against BLP, and yet in some cases you do it anyway. When removing content without proper cause (meaning you say it is BLP, when it obviously isnt) is considered vandalizing.
Swampfire (
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19:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
The egregious cases I'm talking about were clear
WP:BLP policies. The reversions you did that we went back and forth on were all on biographies of living persons:
Sade Adu,
Rocki Roads,
Adele Stephens, and
April Hunter. All of these were WP:BLP edits. If you're talking about some other cases, then you're going to have to give examples. If you're just talking about reversions through the normal course of keeping a page clean, then I'm not sure you have a point here.
Xihr (
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19:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Your most recent was the revert on Rocki Roads in which the link from her official site, not only covered her birthday but her biography prior to adult film work.
Swampfire (
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20:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
If you're referring to
this edit, then I see that you're right, and I apologize. It was fairly late at night and I didn't notice that you had added citations, since you were approaching
WP:3RR with re-reverting my sanitations without including citations on other pages. Thanks for adding the citations, and please keep it up.
Xihr (
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20:04, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Which was my exact point, I could tell somethings you did things without truly checking the facts. Which to me is an act of laziness. Which is why the comment was made. Not to offend, but to maybe make you start checking things first
Swampfire (
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20:16, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
You also did it here
[4] instead of reading the link. You just said it did not cover it. When i read it behind you. I saw that it covered it exactly. And you had also removed Sierra's official website claiming it was against BLP
Swampfire (
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20:06, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I don't understand your point. That edit summary is accurate; there is a reference there, but the reference does not support the claim. "Black and Silver" nWo is not mentioned anywhere in the reference that I can see. You can't just add random links to specific sentences; citations have to back up the claim being made that they are attached to. As for the
Sierra (porn star) link problems,
User:Golbezexplained why.
Xihr (
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20:17, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Then if it did not mention one lil detail such as "black and white nwo" why not remove just that part and left the citation?. Instead of reverting the whole thing? It would have taken you the same amount of time.
Swampfire (
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20:20, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry, you're not making sense. Citations follow the claims they are citing. The citation here did not back up the claim that it followed. Hence why it had to be replaced with the proper {{Fact}} tag.
Xihr (
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20:22, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Thats where you were wrong. It backed up everything. Except the one part about black and white because it did say "nwo" so why not remove just the black and white and leave the "nwo" part, and leave the citation there to cover the rest of the things that it did cover. Because I read itand it did cover it. Also the Sierra thing you mention was not done right by Golbez, he did the same thing you did, and did not check the link. He should of just removed the comment and not the link in the other section. The link was to her official site, not an escort service. But he assumed they were related when they were not. Same as you. Yes I know it said escrt service by it. But that wasnt what it was.
Swampfire (
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20:30, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
What I am saying about the citation on April's page is, The citation covered it ALL, except the person had distinguished which branch of the nWo, by adding the words "black and silver" My point is, since you are telling me you read it, and knew the ONLY difference was the words "black and silver" why not just remove those 3 words so that it matches the citation? It would have taken the exact same amount of time.
Swampfire (
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20:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Citations cannot cover entire articles. Citations must address claims. If the same citation covers multiple claims, then it should be repeated (with the <ref name="..." /> syntax). One external link, or one citation for huge blocks of an article, is not acceptable under
WP:V.
Xihr (
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21:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
The citation wasnt covering the entire article. It was covering the entire statement, of which the editor added 3 words. 3 words that could of been deleted while leaving the citation.
Swampfire (
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22:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)reply
Good afternoon. You've now twice removed and I have once restored a paragraph that I had expanded a short time beforehand. This seems like an excellent time to sit down and have a chat.
I stand by my opinion that remaking the music is a significant part of making remakes to the game. The UQM project featured updates to The Precursors' work right alongside updates to the actual game. I can't see any advertising in the paragraph, so can you please elaborate what's wrong with it in that respect?
Yeah, sorry about that edit, I missed the " key and hit enter, so the edit comment got clipped. What I was going to say was "your own use of 'probably' disclaims the point that this is WP:OR." If it's a confirmed fact that it's going to be the main soundtrack, then maybe it's borderline notable to mention it; if it's this speculative, then it doesn't deserve its own entire section in the article.
Xihr (
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19:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Ah. I take it that you haven't played UQM, then, since it's been out for a good while. :) The team achieved its goal of reproducing the original and then started going beyond it. I used "probably" because I wasn't at a computer where I could check the game. Now, there is no such thing as the main UQM soundtrack, as UQM is designed for maximum customizability between the original PC release, the later
3DO release, and recent innovations. Nonetheless, there's a slot in the sound settings menu specifically for using The Precursors' remixes, and they're in the installer, so the remixes are an official soundtrack for the game. Looks good to me. --
Kizor21:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, I am familiar with the game. The source of the soundtrack is worthy of a footnote in an encyclopedic article, at best, not a whole section. It's completely superfluous and unencyclopedic; see
WP:NOT.
Xihr (
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22:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I agree that the article is better off without dedicating a section to the group, which is why it only had one small paragraph. Four sentences, in fact two before I expanded it. I can keep an eye on the article to make sure that the paragraph doesn't grow beyond being a part of its subsection. This is settled, then? Also, you just linked me to 42 kilobytes of text. If you wished to use some particular things on that page as an argument instead of making sure I'm aware of that page's existence, I'm going to have to ask you to specify. :P --
Kizor07:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)reply
revert it's called an opening scene for a reason and is definitely not trival in the case of this movie)
revert so an opening scene and , especially in this movie , has nothing to do with the plot .If plot is too long trim other parts of plot then
I can't figure out how you managed to work this out
you're conceding the point that this is not plot and thus irrelevant here when neither edit summary of my made any such concession and especially when I wrote the section that I bolded .
Garda40 (
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00:55, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
The opening scene of Contact is part of the movie. It isn't part of the plot. What happens to the characters in it? What happens that affects further actions? Nothing. It's atmosphere, not plot -- and in an article with a plot section that's too long for Wikipedia's standards, it does not warrant a full paragraph of description.
Xihr (
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01:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I added the plot details for "WarGames: The Dead Code" concerning the WOPR in the article, which you removed because they couldn't be canon. They were, however, taken from the leaked DVD itself, recalling just the events that happened in the second movie.
If you want to, I can recommit the changes only after the DVD has been released. The events I summarized are accurate for the movie.
Stoney3K (
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20:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry, but I think the edit made on World War 3 was interesting, and I'm not sure why you want to get rid of it. Now, I'm not going to undo your change again because you'll certainly just revise it back, but I think it's helpful and interesting. Maybe not necessary, but is anything on World War 3 really necessary? So, if I were to undo your revision would you revise it again?
Davies1492 (
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21:01, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Sorry, but that you think it's interesting doesn't make it encyclopedic. And it certainly doesn't belong in the opening paragraph. Please see
WP:TRIVIA.
Xihr (
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23:58, 14 July 2008 (UTC)reply
Requiring a citation for what the article is named in the article itself is slightly beyond absurd. See my commentary on the talk page.
Xihr 23:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)reply
I reinserted the tag. Please do not remove it again without discussion or providing a legitimate reference. Thanks very much.
DMorpheus (
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19:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)reply
It seems like you undid the last revision I made yesterday. Listing the sequels in the summary might have been unnecessary, but the purpose of this edit was to resolve the "Sequels, adaptations, other ringworlds in fiction" section, as well as adding new references. Was it your purpose to remove these as well?
LifeOnJinx (
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09:58, 10 August 2008 (UTC)reply
The alternate derivation you removed from
Kepler's laws of planetary motion was moved from
Orbital mechanics. Since it has not been re-added to the latter article, it has now been removed from the encyclopedia. Did you verify that there was nothing mathematically interesting in that section? I did not write it, but I put it in the Kepler's laws article so that it could be compared with the other math there. (I don't object to complete removal; I just want to be sure it was removed intentionally.) --
Beland (
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12:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Hi. I reverted your edits to Jasmin St. Claire, but instead of clicking on "Undo", I accidentally clicked on "Rollback", which prevents an Edit Summary, so I figured I'd explain the edits to you here. Notability pertains to article subjects. It does not pertain to sources. The criteria for sources pertains to Verifiability, not Notability. Second, even if it were decided that lukeisback is not verifiable, that does not mean you remove both the source and the material it is used to support. In doing so, you removed all mention of her porn career, including the type of porn she is best known for. I don't think this is a good idea, since it's the primary thing for which she is noteworthy, and merits an article. If you disagree and want to continue this discussion, let's do it on the article's Talk Page. Thanks.
Nightscream (
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15:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Of course the reliability and notability of the source comes into play; see
WP:V (policy) and
WP:RS (guideline).
WP:V#Self-published sources is directly on point; lukeisback.com is a blog and is therefore inappropriate to use as a reliable source backing up a claim about what makes someone notable, especially when taken in light of
WP:BLP. If the claim is true, then you should find a more reliable source to claim it, otherwise it is inappropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia.
Xihr 23:35, 26 August 2008 (UTC)reply
I didn't say reliability didn't come into play. I said that notability was not a pertinent factor. Please do not conflate the two, or distort my words. Yes, if the claim is true, a reliable source should be found, which means it should be fact-tagged until such a source is found. You don't just remove the entire passage, especially when that information is what made her famous, and was the reason she was interviewed by Howard Stern. It makes little sense to have an article on Jasmin St. Claire, and not make any mention of her porn career. In addition, you removed the lostart source as well. I'm going to consult the Reliable Sources noticeboard for more on this. Let's be a bit more selective when editing.
Nightscream (
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01:29, 27 August 2008 (UTC)reply
As I pointed in my reversion that I see that I had misspoke, and typed "
WP:N" when I meant "
WP:V," which is directly on point as the given source, a porn blog, is not reliable and is unsuitable for use as a citation. And, contrary to your statements,
W:BLP policy mandates that uncited statements regarding a living person be removed immediately and without discussion, whether they are controversial or not. As for the article then being a stub, well, that's a reason to add reliable sources, not to violate WP:BLP -- and if reliable sources are not forthcoming, then perhaps there shouldn't be an article at all.
WP:N requires that an article assert its own notability; if that can't be done, the proper solution is to not have an article, rather than violate WP:V and WP:BLP by asserting unverifiable claims.
Xihr 03:18, 27 August 2008 (UTC)reply
Again, you confuse notability with verifiability. The article did assert its notability. But asserting notability and providing a source for that assertion are two different things. But you're arguing that the article should omit the one thing for which she became famous, which is irrational. In addition, the Lead, which is supposed to be a summary of the article's most salient points, mentions this as the reason she became famous, which is only logical. Are you seriously arguing that this should be mentioned in the lead, but not in the article's body? As for citing a source, I did: I mentioned that she was interviewed in Howard Stern for her participation in the films in question. The woman is a public figure known for this. As for BLP, nowhere on that page can I find mention that states, "uncited statements regarding a living person be removed immediately and without discussion, whether they are controversial or not." Can you show me where this is? As for the article being a stub, I never said anything about stubs, so I'm not sure what the context is of this statement by you. Lastly, if you're not going to answer my point about the lostart source, then please do not delete that material. Thanks.
Nightscream (
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08:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)reply
You can't get around
WP:BLP by insisting that a particular uncited or poorly cited claim asserts
notability. WP:BLP applies to all claims in biographical articles, whether they assert the notability of the subject or not. I was paraphrasing WP:BLP, but it's quite clear on the subject, and in the second paragraph, even:
"We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space."
[5]
WP:V and WP:BLP are policies, and are not optional. Once again: If the statements are accurate, then you should have no problem finding
reliable sources that assert her notability. If none are forthcoming, then this is a strong suggestion that either she's not notable for what you think she is, or that the subject is not notable and probably should be taken to AfD, or possibly both.
Xihr 22:26, 27 August 2008 (UTC)reply
I am quite aware of WP:V and BLP, and never implied that they were "optional". The problem is that you do not seem to understand that part of the collaborative process on Wikipedia is to talk things over with other editors. You, unfortunately, seem intent on ignoring much of what I say, and much of what's in the article. Some examples:
I pointed out to you that discussions like this should take place on the article Talk Page. Even if you prefer using personal Talk Pages, the proper format is for each participant (assuming there are only two, as in our discussion) to leave their messages on the other person's Talk Page. Your response? You ignored this, and continue to insist on having this discussion entirely on your Talk Page alone, as if everyone should have to come here to Talk to you.
You implied that I made some mention of the article being a stub. I responded that I said no such thing. Your response? Nothing.
I pointed out that in your numerous reversions, you deleted the assertion about her gang bang films from her Career section, but left it in the Lead section. Your response? Nothing. You simply ignored me.
I pointed out that St. Claire was interviewed on The Howard Stern Show for her participation in this event, and I did this twice. Your response? Nothing. You ignored me both times.
You don't even seem to read the article itself. In addition to the matter about the Lead, you deleted the mention of her gang bang films, but left in this subsequent sentence: "St. Claire was interviewed on The Howard Stern Show for her participation in this event, along with Annabel Chong, the previous record holder." Why would you mention this, but delete the "event" it's referencing?
Sites like imdb and iafd can easily establish an actress' filmography. Mentioning the name and nature of a film she appeared in is simple. Hell, you can just look up the movie on a site that sells it, as
here. Are you seriously going to tell me that given her appearance, nude, on an adult video box cover that advertises her as participating in a gang bang in that film, that this does not establish that she's in the movie? This is not "contentious", it's a matter of public knowledge that is not in dispute by anyone. In addition, in film-related articles, including those for actors the only source needed for a film's content, or plot, is the film itself. If I see a film or TV show, do I really need a separate source from the show itself to describe what's in it? See
the Plot section on Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines.
You cannot just delete material capriciously without any thought given to the look or structure of the article, and without directly responding to concerns brought to your attention by other editors, simply by saying "BLP" and "WP:V" over and over again, especially to an administrator who has roughly three times as many edits as you, many of which are in BLP and WP:V related matters. Either directly address the sources I have added to the article, and on the article's Talk Page, or do not delete it. Thanks.
Nightscream (
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10:07, 1 September 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm afraid I don't see anything new here. If her claim to fame is well-known and public knowledge, then it should be easy to find
reliable sources to back it up in accordance with
verifiability policy. If such sources cannot be found, then the material must be deleted in accordance with
BLP policy. These are Wikipedia policies, not my personal opinion or inclination. BLP does not say that the article must be completely rewritten to retain the harmonic flow of the article; that can be done later. What it does say -- which you did not seem to know ("nowhere on that page can I find mention that states uncited statements regarding a living person be removed immediately and without discussion, whether they are controversial or not") even though you're an admin and it was in the second paragraph of the policy page -- is that such material must be removed without discussion. I don't see how many more edits than me you've made has anything to do with understanding what BLP policy actually says and my attempting to follow it. However, since you're obviously playing the admin card, it's obvious I can't win this argument and continue to try to implement established policy on this particular page will likely only cause problems for me in the future, so I will drop it.
Xihr 19:13, 1 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Yes, and two of my admin actions were to switch to standard
WP:BIO naming (last name "Schmidt", not "MES" nickname) and to add {{
cn}} tags for his specific claims of notability. I also commented about both those issues on the article talk page after you (I think?) asked for admin input there. I think it's great to remove unsubstantiated (an unfulfilled {{
cn}} request is a great indication of those sorts of statements) and off-topic material, but please don't blindly revert admin's work after asking for help:)
DMacks (
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19:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Oh, my apologies. There had been so much back and forth edit warring between the different trolls that I hadn't noticed the your responsible edits interspersed between the dozens and dozens of garbage edits going back and forth (keep in mind, we're hundreds of edits into this edit war). I just mentioned the issue on the page protection requests board
[6] as this has gone far beyond any reasonable ability to try to get cooler heads to prevail between the parties. It seems to me the page needs to be restored to sanity and protected and/or the people involved being given temporary blocks to at least send them the message to cut it out, as it's just plain disruptive at this point. If that's now being done, so be it, but this has been going on for weeks.
Xihr 23:10, 1 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Sadly in your zeal to remove what you see as "garbage edits", you removed the entry on Doug Bollen, which most certainly was not a garbage edit. The page is now locked down and the work done by several people over a long period of time cannot, at present, be reinstated. It might have been better to discuss your intended edit on the discussion page, where a consensus about the Bollen entry had already been reached (i.e. retain the section but simplfy it.)
Lotaresco (
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17:15, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
A massive edit war was in progress and was being left unchecked. I've already apologized for over-reverting a little bit among the hundreds of edits that were going by.
Xihr 20:33, 8 September 2008 (UTC)reply
An editor has a personal attack against you on their userpage
FYI.
User:Nfscarbon is a user who steals images from websites and uploads them to Wikipedia claiming them as his own. He has issued a personal attack against you and another user name Fare Deal on his userpage. The other user has issued a warning to Nfscarbon for uploading stolen images. I am guessing you have done the same and have raised his anger enough to issue these attacks on his userpage. Just hought you would like to know.
156.34.209.81 (
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13:08, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Nfscarbon has been making a lot of edits to the
Need for Speed: Carbon page (obviously) mostly consisting of attempts at improvements that end up mangling the article with horrible copyediting and bad grammar, which I (and others) have reverted several times.
Xihr 18:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)reply
Lauryn Hill
Hi. I see you reverted my edit to Lauryn Hill's page (Wyclef says she's got Bipolar disorder, explaining why the reunion didn't work). I agree that he's in no position to diagnose that (it does say he "believes" she has it (he's not diagnosing it) but that's not the point). However, I do think it should be mentionned why the reunion didn't work. The
Fugees page has quotations from both Pras and Wyclef stating that they couldn't deal with Lauryn. I think some of these should be quoted in Lauryn Hill's page, or at least a paraphrase of "the reunion didn't work because Pras and Wyclef couldn't work with Lauryn Hill". M.Nelson (
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17:33, 18 September 2008 (UTC)reply
It's a clear violation of
WP:BLP, has
WP:NPOV problem, and arguably has
WP:UNDUE problems as well. An encyclopedia shouldn't be reporting such things. The factual reporting that the reunion didn't work out is perfectly acceptable; attributing someone's unqualified diagnosis of a medical condition as the reason is totally inappropriate.
Xihr 05:16, 19 September 2008 (UTC)reply
"Consensus can change"
Hi, Xihr. I comb the AfDs for soon-to-be-deleted material and save it at another project. I noticed that you're still wasting time arguing with self-important jackasses and Machiavellian assholes, and have encountered their newest slogan: "Consensus can change". Naturally, you'll never get a straight explanation of this policy from either of those two thriving Wiki-demographics (jackasses and assholes). So here is what "Consensus can change" actually means: If you want to delete an article, and you encounter resistance, it is very simple to change "consensus." We all know it takes much more work to improve and save an article than it does to put it up for deletion, and their is nothing to stop a new AfD. So all you have to do is repeatedly put up any article for deletion, and eventually those who prefer to contribute, rather than remove, will be worn out and driven off, and voila consensus has been "changed".
I feel that this is a major problem with Wikipedia's deletion process, and it is one that the Deletionists are well aware of, and use to their advantage. There are absolutely no checks on the Deletion process, so their is no use fighting the deletion of articles just out of care for information at Wikipedia (as opposed to an article you really care about). If you want to stay at Wikipedia in its current anti-content environment, I recommend just working on (and defending) those articles which interest you. If the disgusting daily general removal of information from Wikipedia bothers you (as it did me), I recommend joining a smaller, specialty Wiki-project and saving this information there. Wikipedia's loss can be the other project's gain. Eventually, maybe, the Wikipedia community at large will recognize what a kangaroo-court the deletion system has become, and will rebel against the pompous idiots who think they are fit to judge what should be removed from "the sum of human knowledge" in areas about which they often have absolutely no knowledge or interest. But for now, Wikipedia is consciously lowering the bar on what it could be. By intentionally valuing only "some of human knowledge" it enables all the bias and arbitrariness that we see growing here every day. Wikipedia's goal today is to be an Encyclopedia Britannica lite, with a huge addendum volume containing trivia on current U.S. pop-culture, just because that's, what "consensus" (the English-speaking, predominantly U.S., mostly white, male Wikipedia community... gee, that couldn't possibly be a biased demographic, could it?) have chosen.
Dekkappai (
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17:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I must say I largely agree. Wikipedia appears to be coming apart and the seams and crumbling under its own weight but few seem to care.
Xihr 21:07, 10 October 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure why you're coming to me, but I looked over the article -- it seems in general reasonably sourced (and the sources in general seem reliable); my quibble might be with some various claims that verge on original research contained within it, mostly when it is elaborating on points (say, the "PBUH" remark at the end) -- in other words, the general thrust of the article doesn't seem like OR to me, but some of the side points are possibly borderline. Not sure if you wanted me to take my "red pen of doom" to it or just give my opinion, so I'll leave it at that for now.
Xihr 03:09, 14 October 2008 (UTC)reply
You keep reverting the amount offered to $10,000. It IS $1000. Go to the timecube website, scroll to the bottom, click on "next page", then scroll down again. He offers $1000. Please stop reverting edits, or cite it properly. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Eternalblisss (
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contribs)
05:36, 22 October 2008 (UTC)reply
Please try not to be overzealous on removing what you consider trivia etc ...
you originally removed a large part of the article including references, external links, and other items with the comment "(rv inappropriate lists and trivia WP:NOT WP:TRIVIA)" with no discussion ... I assume the "rv" was meant to signify revert but this was not a revert but a removal of information that had been on the page for some *years*
A request to rewrite should be done, or a *discussion*, but you have just blanked it! Again! It is only Clearly anything in you opinion not to anyone else who has read or edited the article in the last few years please discuss it first or put a notice on it before just blanking material you personally think is spam etc .. the only external link was to a website about a theatre production which does not have an article on Wikipedia who else exactly does one reference it? lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ 13:50, 21 November 2008 (UTC)reply
Wikipedia Policy is to discuss changes, assume good faith, and then the other policies you seem intent on forcing your interpretation of the policies on other people this is not polite and does not make good articles, If i feel it is worth it I will when I get time rewrite the article, unless you immediately undo the changes in which case wikipedia will have lost another contributor lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ 08:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm sorry, but this response makes no sense at all. Wikipedia policies are not optional.
Please read the Wikipedia document on what policies and guidelines mean. If you disagree with the existing policies I've cited, then by all means bring your interests in changing those policies to the relevant talk pages for the policy pages. But it's simply not true that the purpose of Wikipedia policies is to do nothing more than encourage discussions.
WP:POL talks about that, too.
Xihr 09:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I am not arguing with the policies, just your interpretation of the policies? You seem to have decided that your interpretation of the policies in this case is the only possible one, and that the opinion of anyone else is irrelevant? If the policies are so clear and obvious then why discuss anything or even have comment pages? You seem to have forgotten some of the policies yourself
Wikipedia:Editing policy in particular "Perfection is not required", "Preserve information" and "With large proposed deletions or replacements, it may be best to suggest changes in a discussion, lest the original author be discouraged from posting again", I also note that you mainly removed a list which is covered by
Wikipedia:Trivia sections and states that "Not all list sections are trivia sections" and you should not just remove them? I was mainly annoyed because you made large changes without any attempt at discussion or prior notification, and you removed more than was required, rather than that the removal was wrong in itself, it would have been better to put a notice on the page that you would remove the material unless modified, and then later remove it if nothing was done? lɘɘяɘM яɘɫƨɐƮ 13:50, 25 November 2008 (UTC)reply
He made a personal attack against me too with his own statement "rv linkspam again; don't be obnoxious". Check his contributions as an evidence.
Big King (
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01:04, 21 November 2008 (UTC)reply
Actually, citing the Wikipedia reasoning for why he partook in an action is correct;
[7] was in response to a flamer, and I believe he actually did the right thing. Unless you believe that there is a problem with his editing, which seems fine, it would seem that you were the aggressor. Cheers. Imperat§ r(
Talk)01:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)reply
Your
personal attacks are inappropriate. Please learn to contribute reasonably. The reverts you're apparently complaining about were legitimate applications of policies and guidelines like
notability and
external link appropriateness. The link you posted in
Quake III Arena is not appropriate as an external link (hence "linkspam") and your "facts" included in the
Quake article are somewhere between non-notable and utterly irrelevant. Complaining about someone repeatedly reverting linkspam is not "obnoxious"; it's someone who is frustrated at trying to fend off that very link spam. If you have a problem with Wikipedia's external link policies, take it up with
that forum, not me.
Xihr 07:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)reply
You completely falsified the minimum requirements for Crysis. You forgot any mention of Vista requirements (Vista users need different requirements, says so on the Crysis box itself) and undershot the needed Hard Drive space by 4GB (it needs 10GB, not 6GB, even though you might not have done that edit).
A disagreement over content is not a reason to bring in an admin unless
WP:3RR violations are occurring, which is not happening here. Please be civil and do not issue empty and pointless threats. At any rate, what you are complaining as correct is not corroborated by the Crysis site itself, something which is easily googled. It's 12 GB for both, not different for XP and Vista.
Xihr 07:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I reverted your edit and cited the fact that I had placed on the
Cynthia Rhodes article. Did you delete that and consider it vandalism? The article that I used to cite the edit came from a People magazine article from 2002. I just wanted to inform you that it wasn't vandalism at all, and everything is sorted out and corrected. Thank you for your time and have a good week... --
Candy156sweet (
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21:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure where you get "vandalism" from, since I said no such thing. My edit summary was "rm uncited WP:V WP:BLP".
WP:V is our policy on verifiability, and
WP:BLP is our policy on articles that are the biographies of living persons.
The latter states unequivocally that (emphasis in original):
"We must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high quality references. Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons — whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable — should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion, from Wikipedia articles, talk pages, user pages, and project space."
Yep, I am. :) Mea culpa on the Vandalism issue; I didn't read the abbreviation right. Sorry for the confusion and again thank you for your time. --
Candy156sweet (
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22:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)reply
I know I'm a little late and it probably doesn't matter anyways but I was looking through Cynthia's page and noticed that citations 8 and 9, even though different websites, are the exact same article from People Magazine. So the citation of Cynthia thinking Richard was too young for her was already there. Somehow, you must have overlooked it when you were looking through all the citations for verification.
Jeremy706 (
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14:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)reply
The rescue tag
Hi, the rescue tag is always used in conjunction with the AfD tag - a process which typically runs less than a week. Please leave the rescue tag in place until removed by the AfD closer. If the article is kept it will be removed, if the article isn't kept everything will be removed. Thank you.
-- Banjeboi18:56, 3 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Fair enough. I hadn't seen it used that way before, but I still stand by my comments: Improving the article isn't the source of contention in the AfD, so encouraging people to improve it when the improvements will not change the AfD's basic complaint seems like it might waste people's time. (Otherwise, wouldn't it be automatically implied in every article with an active AfD?)
Xihr 09:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Aaron, Erin, Grey, Gray. Very confusing. The distinguish tag should stay. If you don't like it I am sorry. If anything on that page should go, it will be the pic of Erin in Buck Rogers. That's not a free image unless used on the Buck Rogers page, since a reasonable
free image is already available on the page.
Wjmummert(
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Aaron is a man's name; Erin is a woman's name. I don't see how they're confusing, since you're not speaking the name, you're reading it. Plus, the picture of
Erin Gray near the top of her page should be a big hint. As for what you think may or may not be wrong with that picture, I don't follow, but at any rate that doesn't have anything to do with the ambiguity problem you're talking about.
Xihr 06:39, 17 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I seen you and Swampfire are in the midst of an edit war on this article. Please stop reverting each other and take the discussion to the talk page first to hash out your disagreements. Further blind reverts will lead to page protection and/or edit blocks, neither of which I want to levy.
Tabercil (
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04:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)reply
That is precisely what I have tried to do.
[8]. After all, I solicited your advice on your talk page.
[9] He is demanding citations on ridiculous things, and when I give in and provide them, he is still reverting them.
WP:3RR doesn't apply to vandalism or abuse.
Xihr 06:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)reply
If you
take a look, I have issued identical warnings to both of you. I'm trying to be a neutral party here, though I will say that I do think you are more likely in the right than Swampfire is.
Tabercil (
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12:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)reply
He just reverted the edits again, despite
WP:3RR, his clear abuse, and your warnings. Since I got the threat too, I guess there's no point in users trying to rein in ridiculous
WP:POINT behavior on Wikipedia anymore. If I'm going to get threatened for doing that, I have no choice to let him
WP:OWN and do whatever he wants in the article. Have fun; he's your problem now.
Xihr 19:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)reply
I saw your most recent comments on that page... hold off on making any hasty decisions, okay? I'm currently at work and that limits what I can do.
Tabercil (
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21:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)reply
It's now been ten days and this is still unresolved, I'm afraid I have no choice but to escalate it to
WP:AN now.
Xihr 08:15, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Forget it. What's the point? It's obvious nothing will happen anyway.
Xihr 06:52, 30 December 2008 (UTC)reply
Smelling salts
I just thought you might like to know, as you placed multiple {{fact}} tags on the
Smelling salts article, that I have restructured the article and included a number of references, including a peer reviewed journal. Regards, OwainDavies(
about)(
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12:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)reply
If you have a real problem with the IP user, might I suggest you submit a
request for comment? I do think that you asking for suggestions on how to deal with him isn't appropriate for the
FEAR talk page; it would be more appropriate to hold an RFC. I am asking you to delete that section ("Suggestions?") as it has nothing to do with the improvement of the article. Thanks!
Delta (
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22:32, 7 January 2009 (UTC)reply
He's actively defacing that actual talk page, so that seemed the most important place to bring it up initially. It's a "How do we get this guy to stop removing conversations that he participated in that related to the improvement of the page?" query -- discussions which he himself is participating in and actually adding responses to before reverting the whole thing again -- which hardly seems like a big leap for bringing up in that very talk page first. Without at least some support from the people helping the article and contributing to discussions about it, especially people like you who were actually involved in the discussion to get him to improve his edits in the article, then there doesn't seem much reason to pursue it. I guess Wikipedia wins again.
Xihr 03:10, 8 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I see your reasoning behind your actions, and it makes sense to me now, it's just that when you devote a whole section to discussing a single user, it seems to me at least to be a bit out of place, even if that user is being disruptive. I agree that his reverting is a problem, and I'm going to address that now. But in the future, you might want to try
ignoring it. It doesn't matter who was right, as long as he removed his own edits in the end. Whatever; that's in the past now. The reverting of the talk page needs to stop ASAP.
I appreciate your comments, and am glad that you looked at it closely enough to see what was going on. As for notifying an admin ... there's pretty good evidence
right here on this talk page that not a lot is likely to happen, where there was another case of clearly disruptive reverts and admin warnings were issues, defied, and then nothing much of anything happened (and the reversions continue). This case is even more difficult to raise to admins who aren't paying attention, since one of the keystone points of bringing a dispute to one of the
WP:AN pages is to warn the user on their talk page -- except this user is editing from so many dynamic IP addresses (as you've probably noticed by now) that that provision is prohibitive for the person trying to raise the issue and, for all intents and purposes, pointless (it's unlikely to ever even be seen). Finally, as for your apology about throwing a bone to pick -- no apology needed; the misbehavior is theirs, and you have nothing to do with it :-).
Xihr 05:16, 9 January 2009 (UTC)reply
We could give it a shot, but I suspect this guy would just start using different accounts to get around it (presuming you mean semi-protection). If you mean true protection, it's not like prohibiting all discussion really solves problems if the offenders are sufficiently persistent, which this guy certainly seems to be. It's a systematic problem in Wikipedia: If people being disruptive are subtle enough (remember how long it took you to notice that he was being difficult, and you were acting in completely good faith), and/or misbehave in ways that manage to get around certain procedures (editing from multiple IP addresses makes it basically impossible to warn them of their behavior as the formal procedures requesting admin assistance require), then it becomes harder and harder to get quick resolution (who are probably overtaxed anyway). Going directly to admins in good faith who are even familiar with the players involved
doesn't seem to work too well, either (though this was regarding another miscreant -- at least I presume so). Hey, whatever. Recent incidents have made me start to wonder why I bother the effort of contributing to Wikipedia, anyway. It's starting to look like it's crumbling under its own weight.
Xihr 07:44, 14 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Perhaps you should take a wikibreak to just relax a bit and forget about all these shenanigans. I do hope you'll stay though. Oh, and I've put in a request for semi-protection - I figured it couldn't hurt.
Delta (
talk)
01:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Well, this isn't the first time, as I mentioned (though maybe it's the same guy, who knows). Thanks for the request. Like you said, can't hurt. We'll see how effective it is, if it happens at all.
Xihr 05:32, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I don't think that somebody won something. And at least Wikipedia can only loose by such disruptive behavior from both of you, Xihr and he. From my point of view Xihr also did an impressive work to deface the talk page. Was it really necessary to go this far? You look like you know the Wikipedia guidelines and policy better then him, so why don't you prove that by setting a good example? The Wikipedia policy isn't written in stone and perhaps he interpreted it in a different way then you. This doesn't mean that he was right or wrong, but accusing someone isn't a good start for a discussion. And perhaps you should have talked to him first before reverting the article page many times. Communication is very important if you work with many people together. Don't know if your reactions are a good way to get somebody to improve this article. I think Delta was the only one who reacted reasonable, and at least he was able to convince him by not trying to argue him down. You should think about it. By the way, I've deleted the new discussion of Xihr in the F.E.A.R. discussion page. This is really the wrong place for it.
193.100.62.28 (
talk)
13:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC) —
63.84.x.x (
talk •
contribs) has made
few or no other edits outside this topic. reply
Note that this a dynamic IP that's never edited the
F.E.A.R. or talk page before the reversion he acknowledges and this comment to my talk page he couldn't have been watching before. I think it's pretty obvious that it's a sock/meat puppet of the original editor. It would be nicer if Wikipedia weren't as easy to game as this.
Xihr 20:28, 8 January 2009 (UTC)reply
You are really funny. Now you show some signs of paranoia, or what? BTW, you manipulated the discussion page now by inserting some new comments between Delta's and mine. Is this also consensus and policy or are now making your own rules? It's pretty hopeless to discuss with someone who is so uncooperative and stubborn like you.
84.63.221.255 (
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20:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)reply
It's ironic you're accusing me of paranoia when you then complain about this; it's routinely done in talk pages. By inserting it in the proper place, I'm indicating who I'm talking to, not "manipulating" anything (if I had stuck it at the end with further indentation, it would imply I was replying to you, not him). (The comments are all dated, after all.) Do you know of any consensus or policy that disallows this? No? Anyone still believe this guy isn't just being difficult? But then, what does it matter? No one's going to bother doing anything, anyway. So, you win. Have fun
WP:OWNing the article.
Xihr 00:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)reply
As a fellow FEAR editor, I would definately recommend you report to an admin and see what they have to say. What's going on now needs to be solved quickly.
AlessaGillespie (
talk)
08:41, 9 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Indeed, I think it's quite apparent that all these IP addresses (both on
Talk:F.E.A.R.#Level list and here) are the same person. Now he's just left to defacing and parroting fragments of arguments I'd appropriately used against him out of context to make it sound like he's making arguments, when he's just defacing and being disruptive.
Xihr 23:28, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I also notice that Delta's request for semiprotection was declined
[13] since things seemed to have "cooled down" -- even though the last vandalism edit was earlier that day
[14] and the page was still in the state of having been vandalized when the decision was rendered. What a joke.
Xihr 23:38, 15 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I re-requested the semi-protection, as they told me to do if it had "started up again" (it hadn't ever ended....). Let's hope someone will actually do something about it this time.
Delta (
talk)
00:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Denied again. I suppose they want you yourself to do it, Xihr....whatever. I hereby devote myself to fighting tyranny that comes to befoul this talk page! :) Maybe it'll die down after a while....
Delta (
talk)
20:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
When I read your comment I thought you were being sarcastic, but no, the admin really did say that I should "protect such kind of protection,"
[15] whatever the shit that means. Oh, right, and also that the disruption has stopped again, even though the last disruption reversion was done by you just a few minutes before the ruling. Pathetic. Thanks for your support, though.
Xihr 20:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Giving it another go. Maybe after a few days of CONSTANT REVERSIONS, someone in the right state of mind will finally end this.
Delta (
talk)
03:23, 20 January 2009 (UTC)reply
Wow, an admin actually did something this time! Thanks, Delta, that was some impressive effort. Hopefully the vandals will get bored and find new targets after a few weeks, but we'll see. But the difficulty in securing the most basic protection of an obvious extended vandalism through the official channels does not make one sanguine about the project in general. I once again wonder if Wikipedia isn't crumbling under its own weight.
Xihr 07:21, 20 January 2009 (UTC)reply
I am a bit confused about your rational to why including Ava's performances in
shemale films needs to have a citation? If you truly feel this way why don't you also remove
urination and
bukkake from her page, as they are uncited as well? Will this casting credit of her in
Transsexual Gang Bangers 10 be a good citation?
The claim was that she was notable for it, which is totally undemonstrated. I didn't notice the claims on the other two things you mention; if those are claimed to be notable as well, then they should be removed too.
Xihr 22:01, 20 February 2009 (UTC)reply
Please read
WP:BLP. Biographical articles require citations on such claims, and these claims weren't cited. Uncited claims on biographical articles must be deleted without discussion. If there are
reliable sources that support the claims, by all means restore them but add these citations when you do so.
Xihr 00:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)reply
Me and Eldraque (I think, he's still not signing posts, and now he's logged out) are now engaged in a philosophical, existential argument about source notability (and also a string of sentences with little more than just "objective subjective" tossed around in them), at the bottom of that talk page. I'm stuck, unable to convince this guy that there are limits to what you can cite. --
Kingoomieiii ♣Talk14:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)reply
Please see
this and discuss, rather than removing seemingly non-contentious material about a long-deceased person, claiming BLP. Ask for sources, don't just delete - unless I am missing something. Let's talk about it on the article talk page. Tvoz/
talk22:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)reply
Thanks for your response. But even if he were still living, I think this would have not been an occasion for invoking
WP:BLP, as there was nothing defamatory or contentious about the section. You're right that better sourcing is needed in the article, but we only remove unsourced material from biographies when it's problematic - otherwise a request for citation should suffice. I think you are misreading the BLP policy when you state that all unsourced material gets deleted immediately. If that were the case, we'd have empty bios all over the project. Contentious and potentially defamatory material is to be removed on sight, but not all unsourced material - think about it, and read even many FA biographies - you'll see that not every word is sourced. But controversial stuff has to be. Anyway, I did rework the article a bit and asked for more sourcing. Tvoz/
talk02:24, 26 March 2009 (UTC)reply
WP:BLP reads "[u]nsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion" (emphasis in original). So, as you see, the issue is not whether it's defamatory, or even whether it's positive. It's simply whether it's contentious. Now, granted, in this case the subject of the article is deceased -- though even there is precedent that BLP policy applies to recently-deceased people since there are still estates to work out and thus legal issues are still in play -- and not even recently deceased. So BLP does not apply to this article, and that was simply my oversight as I forgot that fact when making the reversion, and you already got my mea culpa on that on the article's talk page. But taking your hypothetical where the subject were still alive, I'd say that childhood details and private information about the subject can easily be contentious. Remember, the purpose of BLP policy is to keep Wikipedia from getting sued. Contentiousness should be viewed in the eyes of a potential litigant, not an editor who doesn't have a vested information on the details of what's in the article. That's my two cents.
Xihr 20:29, 26 March 2009 (UTC)reply
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JCDenton2052 (
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05:21, 6 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Excuse me, but calling my reversion vandalism is clearly an inappropriate lack of an
assumption of good faith, especially considering that my edit summary clearly indicated the reason ("rv NOR WP:NOR") -- as it's obvious
original research -- and similar cases like this have been discussed to death on
talk page, which you should have actually, you know, read. Topping that off with a generic vandalism template given that it's clear even from the talk page which you added to that I'm an editor with thousands of edits over several years really takes the cake. Please read before you accuse people of vandalism.
Xihr 05:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)reply
First, level one warnings assume good faith. Second, a former US ambassador is comparing the situation to the Cuban Missile Crisis, not me, so it is not OR. Third, I did not see any references to this current situation on the talk page.
JCDenton2052 (
talk)
05:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)reply
I never said this specific incident was discussed. There are numerous discussions about analogous contemporary incidents where something is in the process of happening. It's still original research and news reporting which is inappropriate for Wikipedia.
Xihr 05:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)reply
And so was calling my edits with clear explanations in terms of Wikipedia policy vandalism, but you didn't seem to have a problem with that.
Xihr 05:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)reply
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
World War III. Note that the
three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the
three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be
blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a
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JCDenton2052 (
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05:29, 6 May 2009 (UTC)reply
Oh, please. I reverted your edits with an explanation in terms of WP policy. You reverted them, falsely calling them vandalism, then I reverted them again with a longer explanation. Your lack of
assumption of good faith is manifest here. (Not to mention warnings about
WP:3RR are awfully rich when you're the other person involved in the reversions!) The obvious padding of generic warning templates is not kidding anyone.
Xihr 05:40, 6 May 2009 (UTC)reply
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silent protagonist
i had to chuckle at your revert - what a lovely example of
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No kidding. No
WP:3RR violations have occurred, as the reversions have taken place over much longer than a 24-hour window. If you look at the edit histories, I'm the only one who's been explaining my behavior and encouraging the other party to discuss it, who so far has refused.
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I wholeheartedly agree; I've made some copyediting tweaks to taste (feel free to tweak more). I'm fond of the movie for nostalgic reasons (I recently saw it again not too long ago), but of all movies, it surely shouldn't have a long plot section, not having much of one, after all. One note, though: It might be worth mentioning the time loop with the guy who gets stranded in passing, maybe in a third paragraph.
Xihr 21:08, 8 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Why did you revert my edit to Contact (novel)? I made two additions - the number of editions and the fact that the novel had been made into a musical. Both edits were substantiated by verifiable references. What is your problem?
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00:33, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply
The reversions were explained in the edit comments. The equivalent of <ref>Some book</ref> is not acceptable -- be more specific.
Xihr 03:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)reply
Wikipedia policy, namely
WP:BLP, requires you to cite that claim. If you already had the citation, then you should have included it when adding that personal information about a living person.
Xihr 20:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)reply
Sure. It's a sensible abbreviation (as is lb for the base-2 logarithm, which is a little more common elsewhere, such as in computer science), but it's fairly European-centric so I've found it tends to cause some confusion.
Xihr 00:43, 20 November 2010 (UTC)reply
You have twice removed an update to this page for no reason, you have left no comments, once two editors have read and changed The article to make it complete. If you continue this, I will have to treat it as you are vandalizing this page. It is a sourced and is part of the history of that movie and its update film. There is no reason to keep removing it, other than to increase your edit count.
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22:02, 28 November 2010 (UTC)reply
First I was the original editor, second if you see a problem with an article ie Spelling, grammar, correct them not revert them. Also before you go slamming someone for a repeated spelling error, you should think about why it might be repeated. Some people have
Dyslexia, I am one of those people. So if we are both here to help make wiki better, fix not take away. Also while you point to good faith, you should look at
WP:Reverting"Revert vandalism on sight, but revert a good faith edit only as a last resort. Edit warring is prohibited. See three-revert rule. Editors should provide an explanation when reverting." The policy is to make sure the reversion are limited and last resorts, not once but twice your revered an edit. It was made in good faith, and it linked to the movie wiki bag about the movie. I and many other editors find this type of behavior a waste of our time. When we take time to make a edit to improve a article, then a person comes by for no reason and does a harmful reversion, it hurts the whole. This is because we get tired of fighting edit wars to keep needed changes. You should work on improving wiki as you have in the past looking at a large number of your latest most are reversions (RV). I would simply ask that you work on improving and not taking and keeping wiki at a stand still
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03:04, 29 November 2010 (UTC)reply
No
edit warring rules were violated, so your bringing the subject is completely academic. The reversions were explained; they were uncited (and still are despite your previous claim) and almost incoherent. I repeat that you should
assume good faith, which you are manifestly ignoring here.
Xihr 03:11, 29 November 2010 (UTC)reply
First I never said they were, what I have stated and you do not care about is you are violating the good faith. You are reverting not trying to fix. The large number of RV's you have made show that. Also you should look at the fact that also not ever word in wiki needs a cite. The movie another wiki article is linked. which has a full description of it. The number of RV you have made is just so high you I do not think are following the Policy of not doing reverts.
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03:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)reply
An all-contravariant tensor (density) cannot possibly equal an all-covariant tensor (density). They are simply not the same types of things. It would be like saying that a matrix equals a turnip. Perhaps you meant that the components of the tensors (densities) are equal, but even that doesn't sound right; the relation depends on the metric signature.
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Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to impose binding solutions to disputes between editors, primarily for serious conduct disputes the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the authority to impose
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