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Hi Wolfdog,
Thanks very much for your contribution to <<Phonological history of English short A>> and I've learned a lot from it. However, I actually have a question, or rather a confusion maybe, in the section of <<æ tensing>>, where I saw you edited quite a some. For several times, the phrase "raised and tensed" appears. My understanding is that "raised" is an indispensable component of "tensed" (the other one is either "lengthened" or "diphthongized"), but the "and" conjunction makes it look like they are in parallel, rather than one including the other. Could you perhaps help me clarify my confusion if you know the answer? Very much appreciated!! CHNNLBOKA ( talk) 14:30, 29 June 2015 (UTC) |
Hi Wolfdog, Thanks very much for your contribution to <<Phonological history of English short A>> and I've learned a lot from it. However, I actually have a question, or rather a confusion maybe, in the section of <<æ tensing>>, where I saw you edited quite a some. For several times, the phrase "raised and tensed" appears. My understanding is that "raised" is an indispensable component of "tensed" (the other one is either "lengthened" or "diphthongized"), but the "and" conjunction makes it look like they are in parallel, rather than one including the other. Could you perhaps help me clarify my confusion if you know the answer? Very much appreciated!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CHNNLBOKA ( talk • contribs) 15:01, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
@ CHNNLBOKA:Actually, haha, I was wondering exactly about the difference myself. Each of the Wikipedia articles for the two fails to mention the other. I believe I may have borrowed, or even simply left, the phrase "raised and tensed" from prior edits. "Raising" is the more common term as far as I know; " tenseness" seems to me more a matter of perception rather than production, but that might just be my impression. I have no idea definitively. If anyone else ever explains, let me know too! Wolfdog ( talk) 01:54, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Wolfdog:Hi man! I would be more than happy to hear from you about the difference between "tensing" and "raising"! Thanks!
I saw you made an edit June 3, 2015 to the Leonardo da Vinci page indicating his name is patronymic. I'm finding that poorly sourced.
The text below gives details on Leonardo's name, which in full form as recorded in baptismal records is "Lionardo di ser Piero da Vinci", that is, Leonardo, son of Sir Piero, of Vinci.
It seems that the "da Vinci" is not patronymic but is based on place or location. The fact that Leonoardo's father also was "da Vinci" seems to reflect on place rather than patronymic as well. The "di ser Piero" is patronymic, but that's not how Leonardo is typically referred to.
The question's come up on Reddit.
Note that I don't have any specific expertise here, but the claim doesn't seem well supported, and conflicts with my and others' understanding.
If you've got a source that can confirm specifically that "da Vinci" is patronymic, please add it. Otherwise, the claim should probably be removed.
Thanks.
Dredmorbius ( talk) 23:19, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Dredmorbius: Oh, you're absolutely right! I was thinking of a name/title for which there is no word I can find: a kind of sobriquet or title that indicates the person's birthplace but is not, per se, a part of Leonardo's name. Let me know if my revision to the article seems more appropriate. Wolfdog ( talk) 00:27, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi. I have no problem with additional material being added for the inland north jersey and piney areas. I grew up 10 minutes from Philly, and when I drove to the AC airport to pick up my parents and their flight was late, I stopped at a redneck bar for lunch, and was asked what state I was from! Expanding the article makes total sense to me, we just need to do so with sources--I would not oppose your adding that material with sources. In any case, the discussion doesn't belong on my talk page, so let's keep it at the article page where all can see. μηδείς ( talk) 17:38, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
@ Medeis: I was trying your expansion idea (though I obviously think disambiguation is more appropriate), but I'm confused about some of your reverts, like putting back in a redlink, leaving "wooter" right after a bullet which some might assume means it's how it's locally spelled, and singling out the new section as needing additional citations for verification (of which I already provided 3 different pages from a widely respected source) when most of the rest of the page's information has no verification. Why not just use a whole-page verification template at the top? Wolfdog ( talk) 14:12, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
It's not really a matter of what I personally like or don't like. The problem is that you made substantial additions and changes without sufficient citations. I agree the entire article needs better sourcing, but I'm sure you know that is not a rationale for adding to the problems. I won't edit war. For now I'll probably add a global refimprove template. I trust you'll add your citations in a reasonable time frame. Thanks. Sundayclose ( talk) 16:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC) @ Sundayclose: I'm asking where exactly you want the citations. I've been mostly already adding citations as I've gone along here, so I'm a little confused. There are certainly places that did not have citations, prior to my edits, but I don't see where my edits are substantially missing citations. Can you please tell me where, and I'll add in the citations. Wolfdog ( talk) 16:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
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Hi Wolfdog, i'm wondering why an earlier version of your AmE dialect map showed the Southern MD/Northern VA/Southern Delmarva area in the white color, indicated inconsistent/under-researched, which was consistent with the boundaries shown in ANAE, but you later changed this to be fully within the Midland dialect region. ANAE doesn't really categorize this region and TESLUR puts it almost entirely in SAE. It just caught my eye as i'm from that region, and was wondering why you made that change / what data supports it.
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Hi Wolfdog. Your recent editing to the "General American" makes some of the sections more clear and readable, and I sincerely appreciate your effort on that and also broad knowledge about this topic. Meantime I notice that one of the major changes made by you occurred under the subject "ae tensing", where the table was modified and different from the one in "Phonological history of English short A". I suppose that they are essentially from the same source given that the latter one also is the reference in the first one. However, some of the statements about ae tensing in those two articles are a bit inconsistent in my opinion, such as the transcription of the tensed ae and some contents in the tables. Would you like to discuss it or clarify the difference? I would love to hear opinions from you. Thanks.
Kind regards, CHNNLBOKA — Preceding unsigned comment added by CHNNLBOKA ( talk • contribs) 08:47, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi @ CHNNLBOKA:, Yes, I simply forgot to replace that "Phonological history" one with the more recently updated and simplified one ("simplified" is relative here, haha). I've just done it. Are there any other specific discrepancies you were wondering about in particular? Wolfdog ( talk) 21:38, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
Hi @ Wolfdog:, thanks for your response. Now I see the updated revision :). As to any other discrepancies, I do feel that the transcriptions of the tensed ae in the contexts in those two articles can be somehow causing confusion, at least to me. You used the diacritics of lowered and raised in "general american" but not in the other one, which to me looks like that it implies a narrower spectrum of the variation of tensed ae.
@ Wolfdog:, Thanks for your response and reference to the source. What really makes it a little baffling to me is that (1) in "GenAm" the diacritics of raised and lowered are used in [ɛ̝ə̯] and [e̞ə̯]. It's never been very clear to me what the difference is between a lowered vowel and a raised vowel that is right under it in the IPA Vowel Chart. It all boils down to the question how much a vowel is lowered or raised with the diacritics, or for instance, will a lowered [e] be lower than a raised [ɛ]? (2) in "Phonological history" it is described that "A common realization is [eə]—that is, a centering diphthong with a starting point closer than the vowel [ɛ] as in dress". Therefore does it mean that the real phonetically accurate transcription actually should be [ɛ̝ə̯] (or [e̞ə̯], which is related to (1) again)? And if we compare all the transcriptions in both texts and charts of both articles, it is also a bit confusing to me what the most commonly used highest front vowel is for ae tensing. Is it [eə̯], [e̞ə̯], or [ɛ̝ə̯]? If there is no such a definition or the choice of them is rather arbitrary as the difference is (almost) inaudible, should we unify them with only one of the aforementioned transcriptions in both article to avoid any inconsistency?
@ Wolfdog:, Great. Thanks a lot for clarifying it.
@ Wolfdog:, I just very minorly edited some wording in the first paragraph of ae tensing sector in the article "Phonological history". Please have a look and correct it if you have other opinions about the editing. Thanks a lot.
I seem to have missed a step when nominating the article for deletion. Thanks for filling in what I didn't do. Chamberlian ( talk) 04:13, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
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I just wanted to thank you for spending so much time keeping the New England English pages up to speed. I have become somewhat disillusioned with Wikipedia due to some things which have happened on the management level, so I haven't been around to monitor the pages like I used to.
Also, I hope that you have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Tharthan ( talk) 15:50, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
@ Tharthan: Thanks so much for your kind words. They're very appreciated. I hope you're doing alright these days.
In terms of english dialect of North america your views are dominating to much. I plan on taking this to wikipedida management if it continues. One person should not do the ovwerwheliming majority of content on wikipeida, especially in regards to this subject. JeffMoore087 ( talk) 05:49, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
I haven't found a source that actually defines speculative fiction. They start up pointing the main genres it encompasses, and that's exemplifying, not defining. From common features observed in these genres, we can get a proper definition and that's what I was trying to do in the article. I have previously called this exemplification a definition, but yes, I was wrong. And it isn't original research since it doesn't try to support a point of view or opinion, it just translates implicit facts. - - Alumnum ( talk) 14:43, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm curious about your interest in dialects. Is it a vocation or an avocation? 32.218.43.53 ( talk) 00:30, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
Apologies for accusation of suspicious movement of Hiberno-English → Irish English. The article has been requested moved numerous times in the past, and AFAIK, has always been opposed. An admin (well two in fact) agreed it was suspiciously placed, but we all agreed, likely accidental. As this is WP, there sadly exists a minority of users who know how things work, so use sneaky methods to get things done their own way, which considering you are a veteran editor (almost 10 years now :o), I'm sure you are well aware of. However, that is not to say they were your intentions, especially considering you gave a very valid point, were with ill intent. Again, my apologies, and I wish you a very late Happy New Year. Uamaol ( talk) 19:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
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I have partly reverted your edit on Onomatopoeia, which you summarized as Simplifying pronunciation, while including all the options (see my edit [1]). I think it is OK that the /oʊ ~ ə/ alternation be abbreviated as /oʊ/ since the reduction to /ə/ is quite natural and largely predictable. However, abbreviating the /æ ~ ɑː/ alternation as /ɑː/ is misleading. I have therefore reinstated the explicit mentions of both /æ/ and /ɑː/.
I am positive that you made the changes in good faith. You have probably overlooked that the code aː
in {{
IPAc-en}} no longer display as /aː/, but as /ɑː/. The reason for the change was that the use of /aː/ for the /æ ~ ɑː/ alternation is not attested anywhere outside of Wikipedia. This had been criticized several times, and in
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...and I don't mean India Pale Ale by Long Trail Brewery. In the latest version of Vermont you have rendered the IPA as " /vərˈmɒntˌ vɜːr-/ ." Previously, it was " /vərˈmɒnt/ or /vɜːrˈmɒnt/." I assume that this was intentional. Cheers, User:HopsonRoad 18:56, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
Just noticed these. [2] [3] User:Curly Turkey and I have been discussing it and neither of us were aware of the initial titles of these pages until I went and "Ctrl+F"ed the page histories after having already opened an RM. Both of us thought the current titles were the result of the page creators who are no longer active, but you appear to be, so dropping you this courtesy notification of the RM. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 13:35, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
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@ William Harris: Your accusations of vandalism are completely out of line, entirely unfounded, and extremely insensitive. I have a long history of consistent good-faith edits on Wikipedia, where I contribute as a regular editor. In fact, lets break down the actual edit I made:
It's undeniably clear that my edit is much closer in matching the language used in the cited source than the previous edit(s). If you would presume anything, then you should first presume I'd added the wording I did in order to keep Wikipedia more tightly aligned to its citations, which is objectively what I've done. If you believe something is conjectural, of course you should notify and discuss with the other user, etc. On the other hand, to read the riot act to me about vandalism and accuse me of "a deliberate attempt to damage Wikipedia" are comments verging on ridiculousness. It's hard to understand how you arrived at that way of thinking, especially since you have a template on your user page claiming that you believe in civility and assuming good faith. Wolfdog ( talk) 19:23, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi! Is there an official or rule-of-thumb allowable number of requested move nominations? Let's say that a requested move did not generate much discussion and simply ended with "No consensus". Can the nominator against request that same move? Is there a certain amount of time the nominator should let elapse before doing this? Is there some other action that can/should be taken? Thanks. Wolfdog (talk) 17:36, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
The general rule of thumb is "don't be disruptive". I would think immediately relisting a No-Consensus request that had little discussion would generally not fall into that category, as the requestor could just be wanting a definite yes/no. Every situation is unique of course, so the specific circumstances would be more of a consideration than this hypothetical. CrowCaw 17:52, 7 September 2016 (UTC) I would say to wait a month before re-requesting. If a request ended up with no-consensus and generated little discussion the first time round it's not likely to generate significantly more 24 hours later. Additionally any comments that were made to the previous request will still be valid to a new one, so will just be duplicating opinion and be pointless. I'm reminded of Cheryl (entertainer) who has had at least 7 officially requested moves, and four within the space of three months. That became so annoying that a 3 month moratorium was placed on move requests as they were deemed disruptive. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:28, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
Any reason why you never really bother to add female lifelong speakers of certain accents? (i'm looking in the direction of boston and philly) Having a list that is like 90 percent male is boring. Something really needs to be done a bout this. Juliep94 ( talk) 01:32, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
These allow other interested editors to understand what you are doing, and minimize checking of your edits. Thank you. Isambard Kingdom ( talk) 22:31, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for your contributions to the "Storytelling" wikipedia page. I hope you continue to contribute to more pages like that in the future. I was wondering if you would be interested in editing content for the presidential debate pages and political pages in regards to the upcoming election in 2016? Or if you have any interest in editing for these type of political focused pages in the future? LiamWatson42 ( talk) 03:33, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Hi Wolfdog. As you have said Latin is covered in Romance languages so it would be repetition to state its influence. In the lede it's best to keep it as concise as possible without going into details covered in the links. The way it's currently written ("primarily influenced by Germanic and Romance languages, particularly Franch") I see no issue with as French is clearly emphasized. All the best. RichardHarris22 ( talk) 01:47, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, sir/ma'am. I am simple user of Wikipedia. I questioned with something on the page Northern American English, and it seems you have had a lot of input into this particular article. Therefore, it seems that if anyone knows the answer to this question, it would probably be you.
Do you happen to know why New York City English is not considered to be apart of the Northern dialect spectrum? Thank you. LakeKayak ( talk) 23:14, 18 December 2016 (UTC)
Yes, I do, sir/ma'am. Also, I was under the /aʊ/ was fronted in New York English. Is this inaccurate?
You only confused me with this line:
I think that you may have said the exact opposite of what you meant with /aʊ/. You said that /aʊ/ was backed in New York and fronted in Northern English. So, I was only confused. Thank you for clearing that up though. LakeKayak ( talk) 18:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
I thank you, Wolfdog, for your help. LakeKayak ( talk) 00:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello, sir. I have another question. According to the page New Jersey English, this is one of the dialects of New Jersey. However, this is just a big umbrella, do you happen to know which specific accent under this umbrella is found in New Jersey?, because I have no idea. LakeKayak ( talk) 20:17, 19 December 2016 (UTC)
My question wasn't really answered. I do apologize. It seems that I wasn't clear. The page Northern American English lists three sub-varieties to the super-dialect: Southwestern New England, Inland North, and Upper Midwest American. Do you happen to know which one of these three is the local accent of Northwestern New Jersey? LakeKayak ( talk) 03:07, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, sir. LakeKayak ( talk) 03:24, 20 December 2016 (UTC)
Hello, sir. Looking the history of the page Older Southern American English, it seems you might be the expert on this one. Typically, speakers of non-rhotic accents drop the postvocalic r. However, didn't the speakers of older Southern Americans accents also drop the intervocalic r? I appreciate any help. Thank you. LakeKayak ( talk) 01:41, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you, sir. LakeKayak ( talk) 02:29, 28 December 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, Wolfdog. Mrvs3rsac and I have been having a debate on whether or not Trump is a representative speaker of New York City English. Can you help us out? Thank you. LakeKayak ( talk) 00:54, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. LakeKayak ( talk) 20:11, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello. I see you had issues with some of the content on the aforementioned page. To start, your edits are acceptable and useful edits. Just to let you know, in case some the content pissed you off, the original page Comparison of American and British English had a tag that said that page should be re-written. As a result, there will be problems with this new page, none of which anybody intended. And any help is appreciated. Thank you. LakeKayak ( talk) 23:42, 25 April 2017 (UTC)
I beg your pardon, Wolfdog. I read something that Labov et al. in the ANAE said that confused me a little bit about /æ/ tensing in New York City, describing the sound /eə/ as being. "overtly stigmatized". I did look up the word "overtly", and I found it defined as "openly or without secret". However, in my own experiences, it at least seems unlikely given that /æ/ tensing occurs in almost all American dialects at least before nasals. I am under the assumption that I simply misunderstood what Labov et al. were saying. Do you think you could explain this? The location of the quote is chapter 13. LakeKayak ( talk) 23:44, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
LakeKayak: The quotation reads "Further, it should be noted that raising of /æh/ is overtly stigmatized in New York City, and with any attention given to speech is apt to show correction of raised /æh/ to low front [æ:]." It's under a section called "The Split System," so I think it is specifically talking about the NYC split system. This is what is specifically stigmatized in NYC, not just any kind of /æ/ tensing. Wolfdog ( talk) 00:43, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
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Here's one: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/G-Zay, for now it's just 3 users (including one we didn't discuss) but I'm gathering evidence for the rest of them. Mr KEBAB ( talk) 15:29, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
Sorry for not updating you earlier, but as you can see, one of the admins just closed my request without any action. Apparently, if a sockpuppet hasn't been active for long enough, it's 'not worth investigating' which, to me, sounds unreasonable, since G-Zay is known to use inactive socks. But I'd rather give up on that than argue with that guy.
If you see any suspicious activity on AmE-related pages, let me know. We can and we should report active socks. Mr KEBAB ( talk) 22:43, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
Hi Wolfdog, when I was fiddling again in Forvo, I stumbled across Mulki's pronunciation of the placename New York. It looked like the /u/ in New was dropped off, leaving the pronunciation to be simplified to something like ɪ‿j. Is this a phenomenon across American speakers, and is there a rule to govern when vowels can be dropped like this? I sorta have this, but I don't seem to emphasise it as much as the user above did. — they call me AWESOME meeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 03:06, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
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Hi again, are you aware about this consonant simplification? I believe I heard it in general colloquial speech, and especially in conservative dialects in the north of UK. For example, I heard one guy from the UK say /ˈθʌnə/ instead of /ˈθʌndə/ for thunder. Can you further give me more examples of simplifications like these? And can you also tell me when this simplification can also occur? I don't believe it happens in every word with /nd/ Thanks! — they call me AWESOME meeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 21:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I wonder how easy it is for you to understand people who undergone this split saying words like castle and after? Since you say you're from the US, I believe you don't have it. I'm Aussie, which means I have it but a few words like example, chance and transplant. — they call me AWESOME meeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 07:28, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi, quick question, but do you know any pronunciation patterns unique to Mid-Atlantic American English (not the Transatlantic)? I know of the single word on having the vowel of 'dog' and 'dawn' but that's it. — they call me AWESOME meeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 06:27, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Mid-Atlantic_accent&diff=815115519&oldid=815060898
You reverted my edit with the comment "It certainly was taught; how else would it have been learned?"
People generally acquire their accent by imitation and correction of their peers, rather than by being consciously "taught". The current wording suggests, misleadingly, that the Mid-Atlantic Accent was consciously "taught" in prep schools in the same way that an actor might be "taught" an accent for a particular part in a play or motion picture. This was not the case, and the cited source does not claim that it was. Grover cleveland ( talk) 16:25, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
I didn't change the material. I only made some typographical changes, as generally it doesn't seem appropriate to give a title to one lonely sentence. So think about this. I didn't change the content.-- Flamenc ( talk) 18:22, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
Hi there Wolfdog -- I don't want to start a revert war, but I'd like to note that the article on Taft uses the word describing a "modest house in Mount Auburn," but the article on the neighborhood describes it thus: "Mount Auburn was founded as a hilltop retreat for Cincinnati's social elite where wealthier people could escape the dirt, heat, smoke and crowded conditions of the lower city. Ornate historic mansions with incredible panoramic views still reflect this heritage." So a modest house within the context of the elite, perhaps. My real concern is the source, but I wanted to let you know I am not simply trying to be argumentative. -- Best, BCorr| Брайен 22:13, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I've just discovered this phenomenon, where words such as wash and water sound like warsh and warter. Which rhotic dialects feature this, and what other words can be affected? — they call me AWESOME meeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 10:44, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
Apparently I tried to read from John Well's book about this, but a lot of it was cut off. It says that the vowel sets TRAP, BATH and PALM are usually merged, and that it depends on the word whether the vowel is broad or not. For example the words ant and aunt are usually homophones, and even the BATH and PALM words sometimes sound like THOUGHT.
I also managed to capture that the CLOTH vowel doesn't match up with American English, where 'bog' has the CLOTH vowel and 'boggy' has LOT instead.
So the question is: Do you know more about this, and is there a way to predict when it comes to these circumstances? Sorry if this looks overwhelming, but I do want to know. — they call me AWESOME meeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 12:12, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
Hello again. Are there any words that are irregularly pronounced in Southern American English? Things like pronouncing aunt as ain't and Mrs as Miss. And what words do not have final /oʊ/ pronounced as [ə]? Plus, can you please check Cajun English's phonology? It looks quite crap, tbh. — they call me AWESOME meeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 23:33, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
Hey! I saw that you edited the article Black Mirror and thought maybe you would be interested in this new user category I created?- 🐦Do☭torWho42 ( ⭐) 11:04, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
Hello, Wolfdog. I was looking at my talk page and noticed that you sent me a message back in October 2014. I don't think that I ever responded.
First, I sincerely apologise. I'm not sure how I missed it. It's too long ago for me to remember what was going on in October 2014.
Second, I still have the book. Is there anything that you'd like me to check in it?
Sorry if I am >3 years too late! Epa101 ( talk) 21:51, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
There are 23 pages on General American in Volume 3. Please let me know if you'd like me to look anything up. Epa101 ( talk) 20:30, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
If were going to keep that section, the we need to accurately put what's in the source. "These standards came to be based on the speech of the Inland Northeast and the Northern Midwest regions, whose dialect group, Inland Northern, had a plurality of speakers in America by the 1930s." This specifically means the Inland Northern section of the North, which is where John Kenyon's speech came from. Chimerusso ( talk) 23:30, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/G-Zay :) Mr KEBAB ( talk) 06:42, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Hello Wolfdog,
Any help on any of these will make me gratefully relieved. — they call me AWESOME meeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 11:18, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
The word "coal" popped up constantly for no reason, and I'm pretty sure there were some Vietnamese words in there. Serendi pod ous 07:25, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I just found this video of two guys based around North Carolina speaking in a very strong Southern accent. I was quite blown away people actually spoke like this, even in a modern-day situation as mentioned here. They mention about stereotypes about their accent and discuss about it. The GOAT vowel, for some reason, sounds really satisfying, it's far fronter than other American accents I've heard before.
Please tell me on your opinion about the sound of the accent and if you've heard anything like this before. — they call me AWESOME meeos ... [ˈɔɪ̯]! 13:23, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Wolfdog, I had some training, but I guess I didn't follow the instructions. Really have felt lost on this project since day one. My sandbox is full of stuff that might as well be deleted. In text citing or redirects to other wikipages I thought I had right but I guess not. I appreciate you telling me what I am doing wrong. I will just keep working on it,I guess I should re-watch the trainings Jason Hall UA ( talk) 02:51, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
I took care of your request at WP:RMTR, but just want to let you know, in case you don't already, that you can move pages yourself over a redirect as long as there haven't been any additional edits there yet. Station1 ( talk) 15:14, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
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Moved from Talk:American and British English pronunciation differences#Laboratory. Let's stay on topic.
Regarding your latest post on
Help talk:IPA/English regarding the /ɜː−əʊ/ distinction, you have to listen to the second portion of the vowel. NURSE is always a monophthong whereas GOAT ends in a close central unrounded vowel [əɨ]. Perhaps training yourself to produce cardinal [ɨ] will help perceiving it correctly (actually, it almost certainly will). Non-rhotic Britons never use [ɜː] for GOAT unless the velarized allophone of /l/ follows (in this position it's even a part of RP). I'm answering here in order not to derail that massive thread there.
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This /iə/ means "[i.ə], [ɪ.ə], [jə] or the [ɪ̯ə] variant of the NEAR vowel (only in non-rhotic accents)". It's based on how LPD treats words such as this one. Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) ( talk) 13:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
Hi! Can you give me a gist please of exactly what it says on pages 25-26 of Milla, Robert McColl (2012). English Historical Sociolinguistics? Thanks. Wolfdog ( talk) 11:36, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
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The information is sourced in a section of the very article cited on the page:
Local variations New York City AAVE incorporates some local features of the New York accent, including its high thought vowel; meanwhile, conversely, Pittsburgh AAVE may merge this same vowel with the lot vowel, matching the cot-caught merger of white Pittsburgh accents. AAVE accents traditionally do not have the cot-caught merger. Memphis, Atlanta, and Research Triangle AAVE incorporates the dress vowel raising and face vowel lowering associated with white Southern accents. Memphis and St. Louis AAVE is developing, since the mid-twentieth century, an iconic merger of the vowels in square and nurse, making there sound like thurr.[86]
/info/en/?search=African-American_Vernacular_English#Local_variations
In addition, there are links to other Wikipedia pages throughout the section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:808C:2700:E908:A4EE:7AAF:53E6 ( talk) 15:18, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
Furthermore, I am from New Jersey and know firsthand that the previous iteration of this post is inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:808C:2700:E908:A4EE:7AAF:53E6 ( talk) 15:08, 19 September 2018 (UTC)
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This is a bit late, but I've just noticed the merge of American Theater Standard into Mid-Atlantic accent, I'm surprised this was done without any kind of discussion, as recommended in Wikipedia:Merging#Proposing_a_merger. It appears that a substantial amount of material was lost (compare the final version of the "American Theater Standard" page with the "Mid-Atlantic accent" page post-merge), including a number of citations and references. Could these be restored? Thanks. Grover cleveland ( talk) 00:58, 29 November 2018 (UTC)
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Hello! I'm wondering why my Global Account Information says "Registered: 16:04, March 17, 2015 (4 years ago)" when I've been editing Wikipedia since 2006. What's the difference between being an editor (with a user-name) and being "registered"? Thanks! Wolfdog ( talk) 13:22, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
Stop driving an edit war. -- evrik ( talk) 01:38, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey there! IF you remember me, I was the author on the new new dialect pages of San Francisco English and Inland California English. I saw that you took down my pages, shortened them and grouped them together on the California English page. I put many hours of work on those pages, reading through sources, listening to audio recordings to confirm that the sources matched up with what one might hear normally, writing the pages themselves, etc. and I would really like the original pages to be restored as independent articles. I feel that the independent articles give the dialects more detail than the abbreviated versions you put on the California English page. I could do this on my own, but I wanted to discuss this with you before that so we don't get into some sort of back and forth changing things. Again, I also just want to say thanks for the advice you gave and the improvements you made to those original pages. I also don't mean to be attacking you in any way with this—you have more experience on Wikipedia than I do. I was just very proud of those pages I made and would enjoy seeing them restored. Thank you! EagleyeB101 ( talk) 08:11, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
Just posted this on the talk page for California English:
To start, I apologize if the formatting for this reply seems incorrect or looks strange—I'm not entirely sure how to make this reply look like a "reply". Since your last message, I've just been waiting to see if anyone else had any input and mulling over the best course to take with the Inland California English page and San Francisco English/Mission Brogue page. I understand that the names for those two dialects are not readily known by the general public or agreed upon by experts—that was actually a problem I ran into particularly for the San Francisco page. Considering this, I wouldn't want to put the information on those two topics in some place where they would not be readily seen by readers of Wikipedia. However, with merging these two articles under California English along with the other dialects already on this page, I feel that the page has drifted away from what is typical for most dialect/accent pages. Before, the California English page was fairly restricted to describing the Urban california dialect marked by the California Vowel Shift. Now, with the page's additional information on California's inland varieties and the moribund San Francisco variety, two varieties that do not hold very similar features or histories with the general Urban California variety. (San Francisco English could not even be considered a member of Western American English due to its lack of a cot-caught merger and backed /u/ pronunciations which were present even among non-Mission Brogue speakers.) Typically from what I have found on Wikipedia, accents tend to be grouped on the same page based on similar linguistic grouping, not solely geographic. The example you gave of New England English is actually a perfect example of a dialect grouping with both linguistic and geographic ties. I feel that the page for California English has drifted too far into grouping its sub-dialects based on their similar geography rather than linguistic features. Just as I want the information for Inland California English and San Francisco English, I also wouldn't want to give the wrong idea that the three main dialects in question are necessarily closely related. So, how about we keep the sub-articles for Inland California English and San Francisco English/Mission Brogue on this page, but also bring back their independent pages with a "main article" link? I could also re-word the introduction of California English to put a special emphasis on California's urban variety (what most people think of) and clarify that the two others do not necessarily fall under the same classification. This would create a similar style page to the Western American English page—there is precedent for this. Thanks for reading this far! EagleyeB101 ( talk) 18:50, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
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Nardog, so like this? Why in the world does such a specific constraint exist? Wolfdog ( talk) 13:45, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
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ping}} is no different; the only difference is that the latter supports pinging multiple users at once.Hello, Wolfdog. I apologise for the misguided edit to the table on dialects of English. I didn't realise that the separate articles for Essex and Kent dialect are gone. That must have been a fairly recent change.
Do you happen to know why they were removed and searches re-directed to Estuary English? It doesn't seem to have been discussed on the talk page for Estuary English.
I have some reservations about this change. First, I'm not sure why Essex and Kent were removed but Surrey and Sussex were not. There are some areas of Essex and Kent that are still quite distinct from speech in London. For example, the north-east of Essex (e.g. Colchester) is still noticeable East Anglian and Peter Trudgill still includes this corner of Essex in his East Anglia dialect area. In Kent, the area around Aylesham has a dialect with some northern features, owing to the fact that most of the Kent miners moved large distances for work. Are there any areas left of Surrey or Sussex that have distinct dialects now? Epa101 ( talk) 20:24, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
You might want to check out Vermont#Vermont speech patterns and Talk:Vermont#Clarify?. It's messy there, but I'm hesitant to chime in because I don't know a source to replace the terrible pop source cited there. Nardog ( talk) 05:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
There's a similar mess at Rhode Island#Local accent. You might want to take a stab at it. Nardog ( talk) 08:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
I'm really sorry my summary came out that way. While I didn't mean it to be about you, I shouldn't have said it and I apologize.
As we've discussed, ⟨ɚ⟩ is a syllabic version of ⟨ɹ⟩ and ⟨ɹ⟩ is a non-syllabic version of ⟨ɚ⟩, making equivalent ⟨ɹ⟩ and ⟨ɚ̯⟩, and ⟨ɚ⟩ and ⟨ɹ̩⟩ (now I know a better reference: IPA Handbook, p. 25). We know that Kretzschmar didn't intend ⟨ɚ⟩ to represent a syllabic sound. But our readers might not, while ⟨ɚ⟩ represents a syllabic sound in the canonical IPA. Therefore I can't think of a good reason to use ⟨ɚ⟩ just because the source uses it (anyone with a modicum understanding of phonetics knows that using ⟨ɹ⟩ wouldn't be a violation of verifiablity or NOR, and that's what I meant). Nardog ( talk) 01:13, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
This appears to be a self-published amateur site (see thread at WP:RSN). It does draw on some reputable sources, but we should be using those instead I think. Guy ( help! - typo?) 13:14, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Do you have any reliable source supporting this? Because to me it looks like Schwartz is her Jewish stepfather's surname. She was likely born with another name that she doesn't mention. Binksternet ( talk) 13:21, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
I am well aware that there is a rhotic pronunciation of -shire, and I agree that it is entirely reasonable to give it in the article. The problem is exclusively that the citation given is only for the non-rhotic version. It does not support your addition. So if your edit is to stand, it needs to go after the citation mark. Ideally it should have another citation but it is not essential since it is credible. -- John Maynard Friedman ( talk) 16:19, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi. Do you know whether there is a weak vowel merger in Ulster English? Does that variety of English distinguish except from accept? Do they have a schwa in rabbit? Sol505000 ( talk) 16:19, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
for example, saying careless is /ˈkɛrləs/ in GenAm, even though it's certainly /ˈkɛrlɪs/That makes little sense to me. The weak vowel merger means no contrast between /ɪ/ and /ə/ in unstressed syllables, so /ˈkɛrləs/ is the correct phonemic notation for the pronunciation with the merger, regardless of the phonetic quality of the merged vowel (unless you're wacky enough to transcribe all schwas as /ɪ/). Dictionaries are indeed inconsistent about this, even though the merger is present in most if not all American accents ( Flemming & Johnson 2007:95). Wells mentions this in the preface to LPD, saying such vowels are transcribed as /ɪ/ before palato-alveolar and velar consonants (and in prefixes re-, e-, de- until 2nd ed.) unless "no separate indication is given for AmE", where the merger is only implicit.
Hello. THe page as it reads after your revert of my edit makes it seem that the only place in WV with southern speech is an island around Charleston in the middle of the state. The map on pg. 126 of the ANAE, which is cited as your source on the changes you yourself made some months ago, shows the lower half of WV within the southern dialect region. WV has only a few references in the article and as it stands misrepresent the extent of southern speech in WV. Please edit the article to please yourself, but also please address the extent of southern dialect for the state as a whole. Dubyavee ( talk) 08:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi Wolfdog, I respectfully disagree with your assessment that "All of [the citations you ask for are] provided on the main page General American itself". A look at that page shows that there is no mention of θ-stopping, clear [l] as a marker of Hispanicness, or the precise locations of non-rhoticity in the US --- I am also confused why you would make this statement since you have contributed to the General American English page yourself and are obviously familiar with its contents. I would like to stress that I do not disagree with any of these statements; however, it is clearly in a reader's best interest to be able to look up the sources of these claims if they are so inclined. For example, if a student of mine were interested in socioeconomic indexicals, it would be helpful to me if they could be directed to a source. RSXS ( talk) 04:47, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
Apropos of nothing, I just read this introduction to this book, and it reminded me of your contributions. It may not quite line up with your usual area of interest, and it certainly doesn't with mine, but I found it fascinating. Nardog ( talk) 16:15, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
Regarding your reversion of my good faith edit, I can see why it looked unconstructive. Let me explain:
I hope you agree with me; if I don't hear back soon, I'll change it to my original intended version, sans typos. Thanks.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 15:24, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Use a template (such as <ref>{{cite web|url=|title=|date=|first=|last=|website=|access-date=}}</ref>) when citing sources. Some Dude From North Carolina ( talk) 16:51, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
FYI, redirects can have categories and there are frequently good reasons to do so. A big example is, WikiProject Astronomy made a reasonable decision to put all star articles at their constellation-based names, e.g. Alpha Centauri. But many bright stars also have official individual historical names. It would be impossible to create a category of traditional star names without putting categories on redirects. So please stop taking categories off redirects. Thanks! Skyerise ( talk) 12:19, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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Hi Wolfdog. Thanks for the edits and source. I had to tigten up the former a little; more significantly. I removed the source you gave - not because there was much wrong with it, but you used it in the introduction, and introductions in Wikipedia articles are intended to summarise (without sourcing if possible) material already in the main article. Ive moved your source to a later section, where it seems to support the material (though in a somewhat generalised fashion). Cheers, Haploidavey ( talk) 09:51, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
The "ways not strictly based on history or fact" phrase includes the meaning, "ways [that are] not strictly based on history or fact," with the "that are" implicit as a
reduced relative clause. Ordinarily it's better to spell out rather than imply such a phrase, but the relevant sentence currently has one relative clause (i.e. "that portrays people, events, or places in imaginary ways...").
The m-dash you drafted was contextually incorrect. On the other hand, substituting a relative clause for the reduced relative clause creates the type of run-on sentence that I've been editing out whenever someone tries it in efforts to improve the lede. Yet another alternative: "Fiction is any creative work, chiefly any narrative work, with people, events, or places in imaginary ways that are not strictly based on history or fact." That's essentially no different from the prior iterations except two editors seem set on using the word "portray" for some reason. Whatever. Cheers. -- Kent Dominic·(talk) 22:35, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
... but why only that article? We have tons of articles about places whose names begin with "New-" and as far as I can tell only that one seems to come in for this attention.
In fact, if this is a universal with such names, I would think that per MOS:LEADPRON we should just take the pronunciation out as I don't see how it would be counter- or nonintuitive. Daniel Case ( talk) 16:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
Don't delete tags without addressing them. It's not just a matter of conflating phonemically distinct vowels, but a claim of syllabicity. There is no consensus that it's /ˈlɛn.ɪs/ rather than /ˈlɛ.nɪs/; indeed, Ladefoged would argue for /ˈfɔːrt.ɪs/ and (if I remember correctly) /ˈliːn.ɪs/. We really don't need to introduce a mess like that. — kwami ( talk) 04:52, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
( /ˈfɔːrtɪs/ and /ˈliːnɪs, ˈlɛnɪs/; [1]? We can just remove syllable presumptions. Instead, you've reverted to a version with no sources at all. How is that an improvement? Wolfdog ( talk) 18:11, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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Hi, i saw that you changed a sentence to: "While English is genealogically a Germanic language, its vocabulary has been hugely influenced by Old Norman French and Latin, as well as by Old Norse (a North Germanic language)." That sentence somehow sounds wrong. First, the "While English is genealogically a Germanic language" sounds like "Yes, it might be classified as a Germanic language, but somehow it isn't really one." This is the old story of neglecting the two facts that first the English grammar is completely Germanic, and second, that the most used words are almost 100% Germanic. Second, the sentence sounds wrong because of: "While English is genealogically a Germanic language, its vocabulary has been hugely influenced by ....... a North Germanic language." In order to sound correct this would at least have to be altered to: "While English is genealogically a West Germanic language, its vocabulary has been hugely influenced by ....... a North Germanic language. But as then the West Germanic languages would be mentioned twice in the introduction, you would have to change West Germanic to Germanic in the very first sentence. To avoid both of the misunderstandings your sentence evokes, it would have to be changed to: "English is genealogically a West Germanic language, with a vocabulary that has been hugely influenced by Old Norman French and Latin, as well as by Old Norse (a North Germanic language)." And actually, Scots as a language is disputed, and that's why it didn't appear in the introduction before your changes. ArchitectMan ( talk) 15:52, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
@ Qwerfjkl, Lithopsian, and Rosguill: Hi all, not sure what your reviewing powers do, but a heads-up that the page Mid-Atlantic American English, a redirect page, has gotten reverted by a now-blocked user in the past and just today has been reverted twice by a new anon. Wolfdog ( talk) 00:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I'd like to ask how my edit on English phonology "contradicted the entire comment" Great Mercian ( talk) 09:34, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
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I have been reading the scientific description of RP written by N. B. Tsybulya, a Russian phonetician, for several weeks. In accordance with her opinion, sometimes voiced alveolar approximants in RP can bit a bit retroflex, a bit close to the so-called retroflex approximant. It would appear that I'm mistaken in a way, for I forgot Tsybulya's textbook in my country house, in my dacha, but I'm in Smolensk right now, so I'm very sorry for being quite unable to give you a quote. Do you suppose the above viewpoint to be correct?
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Hi Wolfdog, I'm really curious if you have any sources to show that language does not affect thought. Steven Pinker's book On Language does not make this point in the slightest by saying that we hold an innate language in us. That forms basic building blocks but that is different. See 1984 book. Special:Contributions/SpaceCadetMichael ( talk) 03:48, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
Did you just overlook this comment? I feel like this happens too often with you (I'm still waiting for your reply to this lmao). If you simply decided to reply to the one at the bottom first, never mind, but if not, I suggest you look at diffs more often. Nardog ( talk) 13:28, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
happens too oftenwith me? The link above to Help talk:Pronunciation respelling key is from years ago, so I can't honestly remember why I didn't respond! Here's the response: a reader assuming that HED-dress has two /d/ and MAT-triss has two /t/ is perfectly acceptable to me, with, for example, the reader interpreting that as /mæt.trɪs/ (In typical American or British English, a possible narrow interpretation like [mæʔ.tʃɹɪs]}} seems totally acceptable to me.). Wolfdog ( talk) 13:53, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
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Someone's altered the IPA for the "local" pronunciation of Toronto, and has taken it to the talk page. My only concern was to get rid of the [ˈtɹɒɾ̃ə] pronunciation—I have no idea whether what's been done is appropriate, but I do wonder if it reflects what's in the sources cited, given that they go out of their way to point out that pronouncing the second "t" signals an out-group pronunciation. 218.219.61.6 ( talk) 02:15, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
According to Wells (1982), in the United States, Southerners tend to pronounce winter and winner identically, while Northerners, especially those from the east coast, tend to retain the distinction, pronouncing winter with [ɾ̃] or [nt] and winner with [n].I don't think there's much literature on this topic, let alone specific to Canada, but [ɾ̃] perhaps better signals it is a realization of /nt/ rather than of /n/. Nardog ( talk) 00:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
In what way is it not confirmed by the sources already avalible within the article? The contents of the article can be debated but I dont think its up for debate whether or not the dialect exists or not... Itsdsni ( talk) 14:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
Over the past year or so, you appear to have deleted the contents of a number of dialect pages and replaced them with redirects to much more high-level summary articles. You have usually described these as being mergers. However, in many cases you don't appear to have actually merged much (if any) information into the higher level articles, with the consequence that a large amount of information, much of it sourced and referenced, has been completely deleted from wikipedia. To make matters worse, you appear to have done this without formally proposing mergers of the articles or without any kind of consensus agreeing the merger. Please refer to WP:PM - as far as I can tell you have not been following it. Can I please also suggest that you go back and revert your deletions and instead propose mergers correctly, to allow a proper discussion to take place about them. Please also be aware that it is perfectly possible to have a higher level article which has sections summarising information which is covered in more detail in separate main articles; this may be a more appropriate solution to the issue you appear to have been attempting to fix. Antonine ( talk) 21:03, 30 September 2023 (UTC)
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Dr. Geoff Lindsey has posted a criticism of this Wikipedia article to his youtube page. I think one of the problems with it is that Tilly, McKean, Skinner et al say that they are not teaching British or Mid-Atlantic accents, but rather a proper or cultivated American accent a.k.a. Good American Speech. Knight makes the claim that American listeners may hear World English as sounding British, but he notes that their various systems include American elements, differ in specifics, and change over time. Knight is also making a very specific argument that prescriptivist phonetics is bad, and actors should feel free to draw on their own linguistic heritage. Dongord ( talk) 16:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
How much are you familiar with Accent in North American Film and Television? It's available through WP:TWL. I skimmed it shortly after it came out, only to be a little disappointed by its scope, but it might be of renewed interest with respect to the Lindsey video. Nardog ( talk) 12:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)