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I tossed one more link up there, about them being sued. The only main thing left that concerns me is that the article is very biased-sounding. To improve the article, I'd advise trying to make it sound more neutral, while keeping anything you can show with third party links. I'm not saying there can't be criticism, just that you have to show that the page isn't there just to tear down the company, that's all. You're on to a good start, though.
Unforgiven24 (
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21:23, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I will try that. I am not sure how neutral I can make it sound though, as I was trying to do excatly that when writing the article. The problem was all the critisizm I had heard and read about on them. There was an article about them in the local newspaper for where I live, but I could not find the article on there website. That is where I got most of the Controversies section. I did re-write it so it wasnt violating copyright though.
Wolfbite110 (
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21:32, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Ah. Well, I'm afraid Wikipedia has guidelines against that sort of thing (see
WP:NPOV), so it'll have to be made to be from a neutral point of view. Having criticism isn't forbidden, it's just that the article overall has to be neutral, and if you're going to mention a claim about it, make sure you can back it up. For example, when I put on there that they had been sued, I included a link to a news article showing it. That sort of thing.
Unforgiven24 (
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21:38, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
I got it to what reads to me like a neutral point of view by re-writing the top and removing any un-verifiable information. It is still quite a stub of an article though.
Wolfbite110 (
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15:55, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I just came back from there, actually. I expanded a little bit on the lawsuit, but more could probably be done with it. At the point, the best way to expand the article is to just trudge through search engines and find references. Maybe there's more detailed information on the lawsuit, for example. Or, confirm that it's the only one. You get the idea. Good work on it so far, though. I know how much it can suck to delete work one has done on an article, even if it is in the interest of being NPOV and rbacked up with references.
Unforgiven24 (
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16:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
No problem, that's what I did too:) I'm not going to make you do homework or anything lol, how it works as far as I understand it is I leave you to it, and you just message me if you need any help with anything or tips etc. :)
StickyParkin01:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Article
Hi - I saw your message to Sticky so I hope you don't mind me commenting - you've made a great start to that article. What you need to do now is try and find a few more references. I'll also have a look when I have a moment. --
Allemandtando (
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17:41, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, thank you. I hate just putting a stub in the main article namespace if I can avoid it, so I was hoping to flesh it out a bit more before doing so. If you can find anything before I find it, all the better :) And thanks for the encouragement, I'm still kind of figuring some of this out, it helps to know I'm not doing it all wrong.
no problem - I think that constructing it in your userspace is certainly the way to go - I have access to academic journals and will see if I can find anything there that will be useful. --
Allemandtando (
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18:14, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
article- as Allemantando says:) The subject you've chosen is quite good (that's where most people go wrong- write about their mum or something lol). A good way to find refs is often a google news search IMHO
[1] then find some refs for your statements there. Unfortunately quite often most are subscription only, which wiki people don't tend to like us to use, but you will find a few there by flicking through. Thanks for the honour of letting me take a look.:)
StickyParkin18:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all the feedback. Allemandtando raises something I hadn't thought about - academic journals. I'm a soon-to-be-alumnus myself, so I have access still to the journals my University subscribes to, so maybe I'll have a glance. I can entirely understand preferring to link to free (as in beer) references first, but is it bad form to also link to a subscription only journal, if it's a source for something that a gratis source cannot be found for? I'd think it's better than leaving that information out altogether.
Either way, KPilot is a rather small, specific app, so I don't expect to find much in the way of academic references, but the issue seems like a good one to ask about now anyway. Thanks again for all the help and discussion, it's very much appreciated
Unforgiven24 (
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18:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
true, and there's often a little snippet/ abstract at the top that people can read, or even the name KPilot in the title is sort of proof someone's considered it something to discuss. Google scholar-
[2] you're sorted, it's been mentioned a fair bit, even though these google searches often seem full of 'clutter', you can spot a couple of good articles mentioned there. And google books
[3].
StickyParkin00:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
stubs
It looks like stub tags were added to the K3b article two or three years ago. This page seems to be the main one about stubs
WP:STUB.
It says "
Be bold in removing stub tags that are clearly no longer applicable." So it's down to the individual editor's judgement. If you feel nervous about changing an article's class, you could ask any other editors that might be watching on the article's talk page before doing so.
StickyParkin00:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, must have been someone else I was thinking of, then. It's for a job, as of the end of next week, I'm done studying (getting my B.Sc. in computer science).
Unforgiven24 (
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06:40, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
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TinuCherian -
12:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, sorry if my editing was disruptive to you, but as you can see from the edit history, I was simply trying to adjust the image size. I didn't realize the preview button yet.
Tohd8BohaithuGh1 (
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14:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
No problem at all - I assumed that was the case. If I sounded mean or snarky, I entirely apologize. I just figured you didn't know, so would point it out.
Unforgiven24 (
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14:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Hello, I am trying to write an article about the company AllStudentRentals.com, I didn't mean to spam or write an inappropriate article but I did and the page became protected. Can you help me with this? I am simply trying to write a legitimate article. Thanks in advance! —Preceding
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Gazdeck11 (
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21:29, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Not really, no. The same article, by several different users, was recreated nearly verbatim despite being tagged for speedy deletion under
WP:CSD, and with each time a post was made to the person's talk page explaining why. Despite this, each time it was created again, without alterations or attempts to improve it. Is it any surprise that an admin (not me, but the way. I can't do it if I want to) would put an end to it?
My best advice would probably be just to read over the reasons why the article was deleted each time, and rewrite the article so that it doesn't read as an advertisement, and so that it clearly shows why it's
notable enough to warrant inclusion. Once you have something to suggest using, maybe go to an admin and ask them to lift the protection on the article name. I don't know, though, I've never had to do that sort of thing.
Only just started on the ole WikiP ;)
Hey there, I've just created thinking for tuesday and just needed to put in something to see if I could. I will be changing it tonight to put in actual encyclopaedic content to get information from various sources but need to collate my information. If you can hold off deletion for a bit I'll finish it. Thanks! :)
Chrishottease (
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13:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Really, if I don't tag it, someone else will anyway. But, there's an even better solution - if you just make an account, you can make the article in your sandbox, and generally you can do whatever you want there (see mine, for example). Just go to
Your Sandbox and plop it in there, play with it, and when it's ready, move it into the main space. If it's not clear, there's wikipedia pages about it, such as
this one. Hope this helps.
Unforgiven24 (
talk)
13:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
Deleting Geo Vaughn?
Hey what is the reason for deleting my article on Geo Vaughn? There was nothing wrong with it, and it was a work in progress that was created less than an hour ago...
The Middle Man NYC (
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02:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
If it's a work in progress, it's much better to make it in your sandbox, and get it ready for the main namespace there. At least get it to a well formed stub status. Also, it would help to rewrite parts of it to sound less like an advertisement, which I believe is what got it tagged in the first place. Adding articles to wikipedia is fine, don't take this as me trying to drive you away, just make sure what you contribute is ready to be contributed.
Unforgiven24 (
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02:28, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Michael Marc Rosenberg Deletion
Hello, My name is Dr. Jeffery Tizzlebee and I believe that the page of Mikey Rosenberg should not be included under the category of speedy deletion. My reason being is that the North American Trials Series(NATS) is one of the most prestigious competitions in all of bike trials, and not only did he get first in his category, but he also created the Belle Isle Bike Trials competition. The Belle Isle Bike Trials competition is growing into another large event for bike trials riders, and is held annually. I believe that the founder/ expert bike rider of a large competition is to be noted in pages such as wikipedia.
Thank you for your time and consideration,
Sincerely, Dr. Jeffery Tizzlebee
The article has since been deleted (meaning an administrator saw it and agreed - please realize that why I may have flagged it, I don't have the ability to delete or undelete articles), so I can't go and look at the article itself, but odds are it either was tagged for looking too much like and advertisement, or not showing
notability. Either one of those is covered in the
WP:CSD.
All is not lost though - you're welcome to recreate the article, altered to fit the guidelines. Just make sure it's written so as to be objective and neutral, and make sure the topic is
notable. A great way to do this is to use third-party references and links (such as news articles, things like that) to show that it is of importance.
Also, not that you seem to have, but don't take it personally. I'd love to see your article get added and worked on, just make sure it has a good start before adding it, that's all.
Unforgiven24 (
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02:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm working to improve the article. I've already posted some weblinks and i'm searching for more info including a weblink about their participation in the UEFA Cup.
Horror Punk Ed (
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14:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
It already has links and sources why delete it?? For recreation? Sometimes i think that admins are just playing with other peoples work. See the links read first than you'll see that what the article is saying is FACT!
It generally doesn't take long for the admins to get to it, that's entirely true. Firstly, though, it's not a matter of truth in your article. I don't see the notification on your talk page, but there should have been on there explaining what the reason for tagging it under
WP:CSD was. As I've already mentioned, just create it in your
Sandbox, and work on it there. Once it's ready, move it. It's much better that way, and you can even invite others to have a look and help get it ready. Heck, if it'll help show that I'm not just saying this to get rid of you, let me know when you start it by putting a link to it here, and I'll personally come have a look give you a hand.
Lastly, please don't take it personally. I don't tag articles because of who created them, things like that. We both have a common goal here - improving Wikipedia. While I understand being annoyed and frustrated at having your work deleted, there's no reason to treat it as a personal insult, or to just give up on it there.
Unforgiven24 (
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15:28, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Sorry,I know it wasn't a personal attack, just sometimes rightfull editors and contributors to wikipedia like me are more of a target than vandals and other kind of bad users of wikipedia. I'll try to keep on working to improve all my contributions to Wikipedia...Giving up is not my style :-)...
Horror Punk Ed (
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16:08, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, we're all just human. I'm sure good articles have probably been tagged before by mistake, or things like that. In any case, I'm glad you're not giving up, and let me know when you have that article in your sandbox.
Unforgiven24 (
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16:18, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Mouse Hand Warmer Deletion
I revised the mouse hand warmer page you deleted. Please contact me if you find it still not right. I'd rather edit it and not rewrite it. Today is my first time publishing on Wikipedia. I thought we were supposed to document our references to avoid copyright issues. I did NOT intend to be accused of advertising. I was not aware how to document the facts without naming resources. In the update I did not state references in fear of being accused of advertising again. I want to upload images. I'll wait until I receive clearance for them. Thanks,
MouseHandWarmer (
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22:16, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
It wasn't so much that you linked to their (or your) site, it was that the entire article had a very advertising tone to it, which the links just amplified. It's frustrating, I know, but when an article is short and about a relatively unknown product, and probably created by that company or creators, it's very important to be sure the article doesn't come off as trying to sell anything, just independently discuss it. The current article sounds better, but still could use some improvement in that regard.
Heh, no problem, I suppose. To be honest, I briefly considered tagging it for notability ({{notability}}, not the
WP:CSD kind), but there's three links there, and so on, so meh. Good luck with the article on wikipedia, though. I'd give you the usual thing I give others on here, "we have a common goal" and "please don't hate me because I deleted your article", but after a glance at your user page, I'm guessing you've been far longer than I have, so I'll can it ;)
Unforgiven24 (
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01:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Ecoleetage (
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Thanks
Oooh, I see you've got into tagging etc, some parts of it can be addictive. It's also sometimes very amusing to see the articles people try and put on here.:)
StickyParkin12:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
Why did you erase the article about the rockband Peritus Thagirion?
The bandmembers became very sad when they heard that the article was erased. I just want a good reason to tell them, because I don't know what to say to them.
Nima91 (
talk)
19:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
A small clarification - I didn't delete it, I just tagged it for deletion. It also had to be confirmed by an administrator, who then actually deleted it. I don't have the article in front of me (obviously), but most likely it was tagged for speedy deletion for not asserting notability. There's a few ways that a band can be defined as "notable", which
can be found here.
Unforgiven24 (
talk)
17:59, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, okey, I guess it's logical. Thanks for responding! :) But still, it means a lot for these musicians, why couldn't the article stay on Wikipedia? I mean, it's not disturbing in anyway. But thanks anyway!
Nima91 (
talk)
10:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Well, they're not my rules, they're just what Wikipedia is about. If they had no guidelines at all, wikipedia would be overflowing with articles about random people's dog and the band they were in as a kid that actually ever met once. Somewhere they have to draw the line, and the link above is where they decided to draw it.
Don't treat it like a lifetime ban or something though - there's no reason at all you can't make the page in your sandbox and work on it there, and when you can show notability, then move it to the main namespace. Just before doing so, make sure that it meets the guidelines above. If you're not sure, just ask an editor that's been around a little while. The easiest rule of thumb though, is when they've released two albums.
Unforgiven24 (
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15:46, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hm, okey, yeah I understand. Thanks alot man, I can contact you after we have released our debutalbum :D take care!
Nima91 (
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20:36, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Hi; I don't quite understand why you added "primarysources". Wikipedia policy is that content
be verifiable. As far as I can see, everything currently in the article is easily verifiable from
the book itself.
Looie496 (
talk)
20:32, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
Because the second half of that tag mentions third party sources. The idea is to have sources independent of the subject establishing notability, giving information, and so on.
Unforgiven24 (
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21:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
IQS
Hello. I have changed the article around to try and prevent it from sounding like an advert. Please take a look and tell me if you have any more suggestions.
Thanks.
Mfields20 (
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09:21, 26 August 2008 (UTC)
newpage patrolling
Hi. Thank you for your help with the vital work of patrolling new pages. I noticed that you are not marking some of the pages you've reviewed as
patrolled. Please do remember to click the 'mark this page as patrolled' link at the bottom of the new page if you have performed the
standard patrolling tasks. Where appropriate, doing so saves time and work by informing fellow patrollers of your review of the page, so that they do not duplicate efforts. Thanks again for volunteering your time at the
new pages patrol project.
I generally don't mark them patrolled if I'm unsure if they meet [[WP:CSD|CSD] or things like that, that's all. Is this a bad idea?
Unforgiven24 (
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02:01, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
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Melesse (
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00:01, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Meh, you've got me there. I generally think I do fine, but that one I don't have an excuse for. Funny, I always figured that being human and whatnot, I'd eventually mistakenly tag an article for deletion or something, and that'd be my first "whoops, sorry, you're right". Instead, it's the reverse. Figures.
I'm sorry if I came across as huffy there, I'm just having a discussion over on
WP:ANI in which I discuss my view that patrolling is usually worse for Wikipedia than not having it. Corvus cornixtalk22:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
You may have, very slightly, but given the blatant mistake, I can't say I wouldn't either. Either way, no hard feelings, I didn't take offense.
As for whether it hurts not, it's probably a good question. I haven't read up on the debate, but I can imagine good arguments for both. I'll have to have a look later. Still, with the sheer amount of obvious nonsense and vandalism that comes in, I'd imagine that something like patrolling would have to be done, even if it's not exactly in the current form.
Unforgiven24 (
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22:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
As an aside, I'm greatly impressed by your skilled aplication of
WP:CSD policy and ability to, as I call it 'delete bollox from the wiki', Unforgiven. I don't think, looking at your contribs and the amount of unsuitable articles you tag which get deleted, people can say that your application of speedy tags is not a boon. (Ive no opinion about patrolling in general as I don't know enough about it, but just wanted to say how impressed I am with what you personally do.) :)
StickyParkin02:44, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
No problem! Huggle has a separate symbol that it shows in its queue when someone makes an edit with the summary "Replaced content with....", and when I see it on a talk page of someone who I know is an established user, I don't even bother waiting for the page to load. Cheers!
J.delanoygabsadds14:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I replaced your {{subst:Advert}} tag with a {{db-spam}} tag. When the page is an advertisement, written by the subject of the article itself, it is clearly spam.
WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!!18:32, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
September 2008
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page
Dead loretta has been reverted. Your edit
here was reverted by an automated bot that attempts to remove
unwanted links and
spam from Wikipedia. The external link you added or changed is on my list of links to remove and probably shouldn't be included in Wikipedia. The external links I reverted were matching the following
regex rule(s): rule: '\bmyspace\.com' (link(s):
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=30158531) . If the external link you inserted or changed was to a
blog,
forum,
free web hosting service, or similar site, then please check the information on the external site thoroughly. Note that such sites should probably not be linked to if they contain information that is in violation of the creator's
copyright (see
Linking to copyrighted works), or they are not written by a recognised,
reliable source. Linking to sites that you are involved with is also strongly discouraged (see
conflict of interest).
My mistake - I either misread or mis-remembered, and thought repost also applied to csd'ed articles. Sorry about that, and thanks for cleaning up after me. -
Unforgiven24 (
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06:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Tag-slapping
Hello! I'd like to point out that adding lots of maintenance tags to an article within three minutes after it's creation (like
here) is probably not very constructive. See
WP:BITE for more info regarding this. Also, you might want to consider this: try "new page patrolling" from the last page of the unpatrolled list instead of the first! That way, you'll be sure that the article will have had one month to prove it's worth, and you'll make sure less CSD-worthy articles slip through the cracks!
Plrk (
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20:35, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
For a shortened form? "Unfy" works sort of. Sounds dumb to me, but not much you can do with "Unforgiven". Or you could just call me "Mike". -
Unforgiven24 (
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19:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Any ideas for things you'd like to do on Wikipedia?
Do you have any ideas for other things you'd like to do on wikipedia, or areas in which you don't feel as confident of what to do, that I might be able to help you with? (Ask me anything except improving Userpages beyond the level of mine, or using automated tools :) )
StickyParkin19:09, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Feeling bored, Sticky? ;)
Not especially. It's a busy time for me for the next couple of months (moving), but I was considering just going through and trying to make significant improvements to KDE-related articles, since the KDE Wikiproject already has many of them listed anyway, as well as some of the ones I have an interest in that may not have many people looking after them (like
Steampunk Magazine, for example). I ought to read on the
WP:MOS as well.
User:Tuxraider reloaded -my best mate, might like to join you in editing such articles or some radio ones if you want someone to chat to about the articles and improve those articles with, as he's into similar stuff. Feel free to message him on his talk when you start tinkering or feel like a chat about those articles.
Im not particularly more bored than usual lol, I asked because I was thinking of graduating you from adoption:-
The Adoptee Graduation Barnstar
Unforgiven has outflanked me with his skill and practically inerrant edits with automated tools, in particular. I found his request for adotion after he'd been on wikipedia for quite a while, and I'd go so far as to say he never needed adopting. I'm pleased to see him become such an active Wikipedian, easily.
StickyParkin21:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
If you disagree and feel you still need adoption, I will un-graduate you. But I also offer comprehensive
aftercare for my adoptees. Most of them I imagine will need long term therapy and medication after the experience.:) They're all welcome to continue to ask my opinion etc or advice on anything if they have any probs/questions.
StickyParkin21:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Of course, mere days after graduating, I now have a question - how can I keep up on this sort of thing?
Unforgiven24 (
talk)
Sorry- just spotted this. You could just look over what's up on AfD at
Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#Current_discussions, I find it quite enjoyable in a sometimes infuriating way lol, or Wikiproject KDE or other wikiprojects might sometimes mention AfDs of interest. If you happen to spot one that might be interesting to a wikiproject you're involved in, you could mention it there (neutrally of course) for others. But I tend to just check what's up at AfD quite often to find the latest heated debates.:).
StickyParkin00:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Daanesh Ahmed
Please delete the page entitled 'Daanesh Ahmed'. It is nothing but silly nonsense and is rather insulting to the person in question. Please have it deleted at once. —Preceding
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Kingy012 (
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12:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
If you'll notice on your talk page, I've tagged it for deletion already. Being that I'm a mere editor and not an administrator, I can't delete the article, just tag it to suggest it be deleted. As of now, it's already gone.
Unforgiven24 (
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16:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
My article for imaplestory was speedy deleted. I was going to finish it later because i cant remember that well. Can you tell me the exact reason for doing this??????
Kittycat0143 (
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19:37, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm just going on your talk page notification and my memory, but it seems it was first tagged (by someone else) for lacking in context, and shortly afterwards when you recreated it, I tagged it as an advertisement. Firstly, if I was wrong or misinterpreted it, I do apologize, please don't take it personally. The best way to create an article though, when it's not ready to be actually in the encyclopedia, is to just use your
Sandbox to create the article. Create it there, and once it's ready and doesn't meet the
Criteria for speedy deletion, then move it to the main namespace.
More on sandboxes.
Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself. If you believe that there is a reason to keep the redirect, you can request that
administrators wait a while before deleting it. To do this, affix the template {{hangon}} to the page and state your intention on the article's
talk page. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this.
Hello, I am here to ask why my article that i am creating is up for speedy deletion. I have put the underconstruction bar up but you still chose to delete it.
I was going away for a couple of hours and I saw that you wanted to delete my article. So if you could give me more time, I could edit it to make it satisfactory.
I'm going to assume you're referring to the article
Liam Armstrong. The notice posted should fairly clearly explain the reasons, but in short, the article made no attempt to show why Mr. Armstrong is at all notable for inclusion. Quoting the first of three lines, for example: "Liam Armstrong is a very cool guy. He is extremely attractive, everyone likes him.". It might be under construction, but if that's the starting place, I don't see much reason to bother, to be blunt.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but articles about people that don't meet
Notability guidelines just aren't needed. If I've made a mistake and Mr. Armstrong does in fact meet these guidelines, there's two ways to prevent this from happening again (I'm not at all the only person out there new page patrolling):
1. Use your
sandbox to write the page first, then move it to the main namespace.
2. At least start the article in a way that it meets the guidelines right away. This just makes sense - start with the good stuff, and add the details later, if we can't convince you to use your sandbox.
I was just starting to ref/cite the links I'd used as a first draft for references in my first cut at an article on
Equality Utah, and you sped through the fixes before I could get there. Thank you so much for your help! --
Joe Decker (
talk)
17:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
No problem at all. I was just watching the new pages, and sometimes while doing that I'll just go after low-hanging fruit. I don't like just sitting there tagging things for
speedy deletion, it feels like I'm just being a barrier, rather than helping, so I try to jump in when a new article needs some quick work. Thanks for the thanks, it's nice to know it was noticed ;) -
Unforgiven24Talk|Contribs17:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey there Unforgiven. The other day you nominated an article for CSD per A7. It was about a person who was described as "exessive promiscuity and nude photos that have been spread across the web. Currently residing in the suburbs of montclair, she attends montclair high school as a sophmore in the class of 2011. Widely known and respected by her male peers who most likely love her for her "endowments". This would have been better nominated G10---attack page. The reason why I mention it is because there is a stronger push to get G10 articles off the web than A7. If it is attack page, we need to know about it ASAP and get rid of it immediately. (G10 and G11 are two priority CSD tags.)---BalloonmanPoppaBalloon07:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I somewhat remember the article - you're right, "attack page" would have been more descriptive. I'll keep it in mind. Thanks for saying so - I didn't realize different CSD categories were treated with differing amounts of urgency (although, that does make sense - just never thought about it, I suppose). -
Unforgiven24Talk|Contribs19:09, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
I've noticed that some admins will only handle certain types of CSD tags. There are people who will never open an A7, because they don't feel comfortable in that area. But G10 and G11 are two types that most admins will open because of their potential flamitory/legal concerns.---BalloonmanPoppaBalloon20:01, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
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