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Thank you for improving articles in October! - Today: see yourself, read about a hymn praying to not be on earth in vain, about a comics artist whose characters have character (another collaboration of the "perennial gang", broken by one of us banned), and in memory of the last prima donna assoluta, Edita Gruberová. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Please be careful using GNIS, a mistake-riddled government database (and primary source), for coordinates. You edited the Getty Center coordinates to point to Santa Monica. Abductive ( reasoning) 07:28, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Abductive: I've removed the misleading GNIS from the EL section. In the past the The National Map Corps has had editing mechanisms for corrections. E.g., you send them an email with proposed corrections. I have not used that feature for quite awhile. – S. Rich ( talk) 18:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Please do not change a full publication date to a year only, as you did in this edit, unless the type of source is one where it is customary to only cite the year. The only type of source, as far as I know, where only the year is usually cited is a book. Furthermore, I do not believe it is appropriate to assume that a source is a book just because the {{ cite book}} template was used. You should read the source and determine if it is truly a book, or is something else. In this case it appears to be a report by an international agency. Jc3s5h ( talk) 17:06, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in November! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:11, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, why did you remove the rp/refpage templates? Personally, I think having the formalized format is better than just blasting the text in, and certainly better than removing the page numbers. Tarl N. ( discuss) 02:11, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Tarl N.: -- I gotta look at my desktop (not-mobile) to get you a good answer. – S. Rich ( talk) 02:54, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Tarl N.: – No script is involved. If I see an in-line page ref {{rp|123}} that is supporting a single citation, I think it is easier for the reader to see there is a particular page for that one citation, at the citation in the references. If the citation uses different page numbers to support different verifications, then the "rp"s are needed. In any event your comment prompted me to do some more needed WikiGnome edits on Castle Bravo. Thank you. – S. Rich ( talk) 05:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Is there any particular reason why you're persistently shortening the short descriptions on all the World Cup qualifying articles? Multiple times your edits have been opposed as unhelpful to a normal reader. Jalen Folf (talk) 23:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving article quality in December. If you like Advent music, check this out. If you like Christmas music and wishes, watch my user talk until 27 December ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:29, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi. I have reverted your recent edits to List of topics characterized as pseudoscience: [1]. See the documentation at Template:Cite_book. Example: you changed the correct pages=154–173 to the incorrect pages=154–73. I have filled a missing ISBN that you requested: [2]. - DVdm ( talk) 11:35, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello Srich32977! Please do not shorten page numbers, like you did here: this only introduces an ambiguity, while offering no advantage. Thanks! ☿ Apaugasma ( talk ☉) 12:14, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia does not have a Manual of Style of its own regarding page range citations. Rather it allows for the use of any accepted MOS so long as the use is consistent in each article. The
Chicago Manual of Style is one such manual and the CMS allows for "pp. xxx–xx" page ranges (example pp. 123–25). The key is "two or more" in the second element. Thus "pp. 123–125" OR "pp. 123–25" works. (However, "pp. 123–5" does not work.) Again, consistency is key. Edits such as
this one which re-introduce hyphenation and dash errors (see
MOS:DASH and
MOS:HYPHEN) are not helpful. –
S. Rich (
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21:22, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Like date ranges, number ranges and page ranges should state the full value of both the beginning and end of the range, separated by an en dash: pp. 1902–1911 or entries 342–349. Except in quotations, avoid abbreviated forms such as 1902–11 and 342–9, which are not understood universally, are sometimes ambiguous, and can cause inconsistent metadata to be created in citations.
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Thank you for improving articles in January! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 23:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
2022 began happily with vacation. I uploaded images but stopped at 22 January - click on songs. 30 January means 10 years of Precious. It's also the birthday of a friend, - I'm so happy I mentioned his DYK on his 90th birthday when he was still alive. I have a great singer on DYK whom I heard, Elena Guseva, and wait for a Recent death appearance of Georg Christoph Biller whom I saw in action. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi User:Srich32977 I saw you on recent edits and wondered if you could help. I am a new user and I wanted to create a redirect Snoochie Shy to BBC Radio 1Xtra as she is a presenter on the show. Could you please thanks Linda Binson ( talk) 23:19, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Srich. Edits you've made to film talk pages (such as here) contain a typo: "=" instead of "-" in "USfilm=importance=", which produces a duplicate "USfilm" parm error. I've fixed several of them. I'm guessing you're cut-and-pasting from some original; it would be useful to fix the original :-) Davemck ( talk) 21:58, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Davemck: Quite right, Dave. I was just pasting my most recent version of the line. Of course the error was so small that it looked OK on my first preview. Thank you so very much for the heads-up and for the fixes you undertook. Happy editing! – S. Rich ( talk) 23:13, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
OK, it was my bad to revert the dash, but you do realize that you could have done the research in the beginning to get the OCLC ID in the first place instead of just leaving {{ ISBN?}}, right? In addition, I am not a mind reader so I couldn't tell what your goal was in the first place. It just looked like you were unfamiliar with the timeline of ISBNs, so I specifically used the Undo feature so that you would get a notification about what I was doing. — howcheng { chat} 07:20, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in February! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:49, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
stand and sing Prayer for Ukraine -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Keep up the good work! Marquardtika ( talk) 14:49, 15 March 2022 (UTC) |
Hello - my name is Susan Gerbic (Sgerbic) and I'm writing to you because at some point you joined Wikipedia:WikiProject Skepticism. This might have been months ago - or even years ago. With the best of intentions the project was created years ago, and sadly like many WikiProjects has started to go dormant. A group of us are attempting to revitalize the Skepticism project, already we have begun to clean up the main page and I've just redone the participant page. No one is in charge of this project, it is member directed, which might have been the reason it almost went dormant. We are attempting to bring back conversations on the talk page and have two subprojects as well, in the hopes that it might spark involvement and a way of getting to know each other better. One was created several years ago but is very well organized and a lot of progress was made, Wikipedia:WikiProject Skepticism/Skeptical organisations in Europe. The other I created a couple weeks ago, it is very simple and has a silly name Wikipedia:WikiProject Skepticism/Skepticism Stub Sub-Project Project (SSSPP). This sub-project runs from March 1 to June 1, 2022. We are attempting to rewrite skepticism stubs and add them to this list. As you can see we have already made progress.
The reason I'm writing to you now is because we would love to have you come back to the project and become involved, either by working on one of the sub-projects, proposing your own (and managing it), or just hanging out on the talk page getting to know the other editors and maybe donate some of your wisdom to some of the conversations. As I said, no one is in charge, so if you have something in mind you would like to see done, please suggest it on the talk page and hopefully others will agree. Please add the project to your watchlist, update your personal user page showing you are a proud member of WikiProject Skepticism. And DIVE in, this is what the work list looks like [3] frightening at first glance, but we have already started chipping away at it.
The Wikipedia:WikiProject Skepticism/Participants page has gone though a giant change - you may want to update your information. And of course if this project no longer interests you, please remove your name from the participant list, we would hate to see you go, but completely understand.
Thank you for your time, I hope to edit with you in the future. Sgerbic ( talk) 07:32, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in March. Music if you like. Prayer for Ukraine. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:22, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:42, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Hi Srich32977. Could I ask you to be a bit more careful, you nuked the reference section (fixed now). It appears to be an issue with AuthEd, where it can't handle reflists built with <reference> tags. LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆ transmission∆ ° co-ords° 16:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello S. Rich, I noticed you adding Portal:Libertarianism to the {{ portal bar}} of multiple anarchist articles, except those anarchists have no connection to the American libertarian movement associated with that portal. Apart from the connection with "libertarianism" being a word formerly synonymous with anarchism (currently more so with libertarian socialism), what is the direct connection that warrants listing this portal on those biographies? czar 01:13, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Czar: Only one portion of the current portal page ( John Stossel) has a particular American libertarian slant. (And even that panel is subject to change.) The historical connections between the libertarians and anarchists are what they are, but these things change. Similarly, the connection between liberalism (in the classical sense) and modern liberalism (in the current political sense) is blurry. (Figuring out these connections and distinctions is a task beyond my capabilities.) By providing WP readers with such links and resources aids them in an encyclopedic sense. E.g., if the portals attract more eyeballs of interested readers then I think my contribution is warranted and worthwhile. I welcome your suggestions! – S. Rich ( talk) 01:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Czar: I don't know if we have a disagreement. Here is the method to my madness: cleanup Outline of libertarianism; make sure the libertarian infoboxes and sidebars are relevant to the articles they are in; post the WikiProject Libertarianism template in articles with appropriate libertarianism categories; "Portalize" libertarian related articles (and add related portals such as history, books, politics, etc.). Most of this is very WikiGnomish. But the effort is serving its' purpose – interested editors such as yourself get to consider what the connections (or disconnections) are and then refine the portals, categories, WikiProjects, ==See alsos==, and, most importantly, the WP articles. – S. Rich ( talk) 05:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
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Easter - resilience - Spring - thank you for improving articles in April -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
dance and singing, peace doves and icecream -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
From your recent edit of Karl Popper, I'm glad to see you're still at it. I made any edit there @ "See also" to add Karl Popper - Wikiquotes, to which I entered a quote that I had read long ago. It impressed me yet again. Cheers, Thomasmeeks ( talk) 00:16, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
Can you provide a reason why you removed Integratron from the listing? It looks like it was listed in 2018, and hasn't been delisted since. 25or6to4 ( talk) 22:35, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
@ 25or6to4: ACK! Your message prompted me to look in the NRHP database via a different route. There it is! I'll go back and undo my faulty "updates". Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk) 22:43, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
Hello Srich32977; You recently removed some edits I had made to Desert Memorial Park. Regarding the two "See" entries I had included, Edward C. Babcock and Alaine C Brandes, I included them because they are buried under their given names, not their stage names, but their articles use their stage names. Anyone looking for their given names would not find them alphabetically, if the "See" entry is removed. I concede there probably would not be many people looking for them under their given name. Regarding Rodney M. Bell, I'm not clear why you removed him, other than no one has written an article for him yet. He was an actor with over 100 movie credits along with numerous television appearances. The Desert Memorial Park cemetery maintains an "Interments of Interest" list and considers him worth noting. There are only about 10 Wikipedia articles that refer to him at this time. OvertAnalyzer ( talk) 00:01, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
@ OvertAnalyzer: Regarding Crossley, he's quite notable and simply lacks an ambitious editor to write up his story. Hence he can (or should) stay on the list as a redlink. The other (Bell) should stay off in accordance with WP:WTAF. He's just not that notable or WP:Noteworthy at this time. For our burials under the actual, non-stage names, I suggest we set up redirects under the real names pointing to the stage names. Magdolna Gabor is one example. We don't need (or want) her listed twice. – S. Rich ( talk) 04:30, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Srich32977: You are right that creating redirects for birth names might be adequate for people to locate stage name. In my view, Crossley is of local importance to the Palm Springs area, but Bell is notable for his long movie and television career. In that sense Bell is more broadly notable than Crossly. I've seen many Wikpedia pages for performers with much less notable careers than Bell. If the ten articles that refer to Bell were all redlinked, someone might eventually create a page for him. On a different note, what are your thoughts on renaming the Desert Memorial Park page to the "Palm Springs Cemetery District" page? The Desert Memorial Park and the Welwood Murray Cemetery could both then redirect to the "Palm Springs Cemetery District". I have found some of the people listed on the Desert Memorial Park page are actually buried at the Welwood Murray Cemetery. Hugo Montenegro is one example. Separate sections for DMP and WMC interments could be included in the newly renamed article. It might complicate how the infobox is presented. OvertAnalyzer ( talk) 14:30, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
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... and thank you for improving articles in May! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:13, 20 May 2022 (UTC)
I like my talk today (actually mostly from 29 May - I took the title pic), enjoy the music, two related videos worth watching! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in June! My song collection is especially rich, look, and the hall where I first heard DFD, Pierre Boulez and Murray Perahia. Do you find the baby deer in the meadow (last row)? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:13, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi. I noticed you cleared the talk page for Albert Ostman. (And replaced with tags.) At minimum, shouldn't those sections have been archived? (Rather than deleted.) Rja13ww33 ( talk) 17:27, 25 June 2022 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in July. - I was away, for hiking in the Swiss Alps and a funeral, more on my talk. Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:01, 29 July 2022 (UTC)
This edit to First Battle of Newtonia is not helpful and frankly isn't a net positive. I'm citing the 1880s original of the Official Records here, so the copy I'm using doesn't have an ISBN. The newer reprints that do have ISBNs may well have different paginations, so adding the wrong ISBN for the edition used is not helpful. I'm also unconvinced that adding the series here is useful, as it's really just the same thing as the title - this source is consistently treated on enwiki as having the "Official Records" bit as the title, so adding a near-identical series parameter isn't helpful. I've reverted. Hog Farm Talk 16:36, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in August! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:36, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Look at the church where I heard VOCES8. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:28, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Electroconvulsive therapy, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Impedance.
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With this edit (Revision as of 07:00, 27 March 2022) you broke the link to wikisource article. DNB articles on Wikisource use a dash not an ndash in dab extensions. This is why there is also a display= parameter to display the article name with an ndash on the Wikipedia page. Please fix you script not to alter templates with a wstitle= parameter. There is a category of pages where some helpful editors have made this change and broken the links to the Wikisource article. PBS ( talk) 20:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in September! Yesterday, we sang old music for two choirs at church, pictured, scroll to the image of the organ of the month of the Diocese of Limburg (my perspective), and if you have time, watch the video about it. And today I wrote an article about music premiered today, Like as the hart. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:01, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi @ Srich32977: I was wondering why you removed all publishing dates from the referenceing on the Joseph Lister article and replaced with Year properties? scope_creep Talk 23:57, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in October! - Look for mine: two favourite concerts were on DYK, and too many on RD (three yesterday). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the work you are doing tidying citations, but I do have some issues with how you are doing them. On the locations, I have no strong opinion on the style, but I think it saves trouble to stick to the practice preferred at FAC, of showing the state if the location is in the USA and the country elsewhere. On the isbns, I think that it is bad practice to show them as an unbroken string. Breaking them up with dashes or spaces is the universal practice in books, and it is much easier to copy an isbn correctly if it is broken up into blocks rather than being an unbroken string. Dudley Miles ( talk) 17:23, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Dudley Miles You are incorrect. Books do NOT "always" have spaces or dashes. My physical copy of Born a Soldier: The Times and Life of
Larry Thorne has
9781439214374 printed on the back cover and inside copyright page. The copyright page also has
1-4392-1437-9. These link to WP:Book sources. "This page links to catalogs of libraries, booksellers, and other book sources where you will be able to search for the book by its International Standard Book Number (ISBN)." So, in order to
WP:Verify the ISBN citation the WP editor must have the actual book or they can link to the on-line source. But WP editors usually don't have access to the "actual physical source". So how can the WP reader know if the contributing WP editor has used the actual physical source? (And why should they care?) My efforts have been to maintain consistency in the citations. –
S. Rich (
talk)
00:09, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in November while I was on vacation. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:08, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
I'm just wondering what the purpose of this edit is? The edit summary suggests that it's using Wikipedia:AutoEd, and as the edit (at least on my screen) had no detectable change to the article content, it doesn't seem to be compliant with the AutoEd restrictions related to WP:COSMETICBOT. Hog Farm Talk 19:50, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi, can you please explain to me why one decimal place is a significant number when reporting election results, but two and zero are not? You've made changes to several pages reducing the number of decimal places for election results from two to one and I would like to better understand your reasoning. AJPEG ( talk) 04:09, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
Just curious, why remove all the redlinked entries from List of United States Navy SEALs, but not from List of Delta Force members? Thanks - wolf 21:28, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
@ Thewolfchild: Okay, done. The Delta & SEAL redlinks are gone. I also went through and did short descriptions. Please comment on the list talk page(s) about the list-limiting rationale. Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk) 23:54, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
So as I wrote on the SEALs list talk page, I don't have an account anymore and I don't want one again. I now know you can't create a page without one so if you or wolf or somebody wants to create pages for these guys that would be great. It shouldn't take too long. I mean, Harry Beal got a page and there isn't a lot of info there. You might have already seen the entries on the 2012 Benghazi attack fatalities page. There is a good amount of sourced info on these 2 guys there. 2600:6C54:7E00:C2:31E6:82B3:280D:C3BA ( talk) 02:27, 8 December 2022 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving article quality in December! Best wishes for a joyful season! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:32, 20 December 2022 (UTC)
Hello, Srich32977,
You are a very experienced editor so I'm surprised you don't understand the criteria for speedy deletion. Please review Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G13. Abandoned Drafts and Articles for creation submissions for more information. Drafts have to not been active for SIX months to be considered for G13 deletion. Both of the pages you tagged for deletion were last edited in November which is one month ago, not six months ago. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 02:18, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
Srich32977,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable
New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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20:49, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
Send New Year cheer by adding {{ subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.
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Thanks for the helpful tidying, but may I ask what you have against Paris? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 22:43, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
Hey, I think the trend in
commotio cordis is to use spaced endash to separate thoughts. To that end you can use the snd or snds templates to accomplish that, or copy/paste, or hand code them. Have you soaked up all this over in:
MOS:DASH? Anyway, I apologize if the article trend is unspaced-emdash vs spaced-endash. Cheers! {{u|
WikiWikiWayne}} {
Talk}
10:39, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
Please help keep /info/en/?search=Haplogroup_L2_(mtDNA) free of vandalism by 72.183.247.116 and Ceci212 who add false statements from unscientific sources including a blog. You've worked on that page in the past. 2600:1000:B111:BB9D:1CE4:8FD6:8B77:D300 ( talk) 20:31, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
Thanks for everything @ Chickbama2316 ( talk) 22:16, 22 January 2023 (UTC)
Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.
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The Editor's Barnstar |
Thanks for your recent assessments, copy edits, destubbing and WikiProject tagging of cemeteries since about the third of this month—your edits are much appreciated! I am surprised I have not seen you around here before. Goodluck on your journey to edit every single cemetery on Wikipedia, and have a wonderful day in general! ツLunaEatsTuna ( 💬)— 10:22, 10 February 2023 (UTC) |
Hi. Saw your edit at here, and am wandering if a similar process couldn't be applied to the 651 cites here? Mercy11 ( talk) 04:02, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in February! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:20, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
My story on 24 February is about Artemy Vedel (TFA by Amitchell235), and I made a suggestion for more peace, - what do you think? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:59, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
today: two women whose birthday we celebrate today, 99 and 90! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 12:13, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
I'm not sure what I need to do to get this page kept.
Noggle is a real cemetery and is notable for being one of the oldest cemeteries in the area, and it has very early burials from several prominent families who contributed to the community during the Settlement Period. It is small, and landlocked, and has a findagrave page as well.
What about it disqualifies it from being on Wikipedia? Capouch ( talk) 00:01, 18 March 2023 (UTC)
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Thank you for improving articles in March! - Today we remember the 150th birthday of Max Reger, who saw the horrors of a world war right when it began in 1914, while others were still in high patriotic moods -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:42, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello,
I'm curious on this edit to Mount Hope Cemetery (Lansing, Michigan). Do you have a citation for the change from ~23,800 graves to 25,000+ graves? Otherwise, that fact would hang without any evidence. I will state that I agree the cite could live in the body versus the infobox. Cheers, -- Engineerchange ( talk) 18:48, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
Hi Srich32977. This edit you made to Talk:John Mason Loomis actually seemed to cause the entire Wikipedia article Find a Grave to be transcluded into that talk page thread per WP:COLON#With templates. I'm not sure what the "indexing problem" you were trying to fix was, but adding the colon to that template syntax told the software to transclude the article onto that talk page. I only noticed this because the non-free image being used in "Find s Grave" were flagged as being used outside of the article namespace. I tried to fix both problems by converting {{ Find a Grave}} to a url link, and hopefully that resolves the indexing issue. If, by chance, you were also using the colon trick in templates on other pages, you might want to retrace your steps to make sure the same type of article transclusion hasn't happened.-- Marchjuly ( talk) 06:03, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
Hello again, SRich. I thought you agreed four years ago to stop removing hyphens from ISBNs, but now I see that you're still imposing your preferred style by removing hyphens, even on pages where most of the ISBNs have them. [4] [5]
You know better than I that a large number of editors have objected to this practice over the last six years. It is also contrary to WP:ISBN and {{ cite book}}, which say that the hyphens are optional but preferred. Please stop.
I know you're concerned about consistency, but if you can't handle the ISBNs properly, you should leave consistency of ISBN formatting to someone who can. I'd be happy to do them for you when I have the time. Kanguole 21:54, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Kanguole: If you go to World Cat and click OCLC 1065580670 you will get ISBN 9781909388062 a book by Darren Marsh (artist). But suppose you click ISBN 9781909388062 or ISBN 978-1909-3880-6-2 or ISBN 9 7 8 1 9 0 9 3 8 8 0 6 2 – what do you get? You get Special:BookSources pages all listing the same number. There, please note the bullet point on the actual results page – "Spaces and hyphens in the ISBN do not matter." (In the Darren Marsh example above the Book Sources page results do NOT lead to a book by Darren Marsh, because he hasn't given it an ISBN. However, try ISBN 9780993017223. You will get a listing of sources about another Marsh book, but without any author, title, or other info.) "Book Sources" is a linking tool to other resources, nothing more. And so what if hyphens are "preferred" in ISBNs? (By whom? Not by Amazon or WorldCat.) The key word in WP:CITEVAR is "established". E.g., once we have an article with all ISBNs either hyphenated or not-hyphenated, we establish the citation method. The "contentious" diffs you complained about did not have consistent – established – methods. And I fixed those pages. Thanks. – S. Rich ( talk) 20:39, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Kanguole: I'm reviewing the archives at WT:CS right now. (But you seem to be saying the only was to handle and ISBN "properly" is with hyphens. Is that correct?) – S. Rich ( talk) 21:47, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Kanguole: You are not answering important questions. 1. "Why" are hyphens preferred in WP, and not in World Cat, Amazon, etc. (I can't find any rationale that explains.) 2. If an article has ISBNs that mix the hyphenated and non-hyphenated styles, is it using a consistent style of citation? Or is a consistent "style" of hyphenizing established? 3. When the guidelines show us examples of hyphenated and non-hyphenated ISBN listings, aren't the guidelines showing us that non-hyphenated ISBNs are acceptable? — So far I've gone back to Archive 35 (December 2012) and searched the terms "ISBN" and "hyphen". No results on point yet. – S. Rich ( talk) 22:23, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
Again, please stop removing hyphens from ISBNs. In view of the preference described at WP:ISBN and {{ cite book}} and the objections of several editors, consistency does not justify these edits. You are aware that these edits are controversial, so the appropriate course is to stop until you can achieve consensus for them. Kanguole 15:52, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Kanguole: Take a look at the Bibliography section in History of Palestine. Quite a mix of hyphenizations for the books. What is a permissible, consistent style for that article? Please let me know. – S. Rich ( talk) 20:49, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
I have taken this issue to WP:ANI#Srich32977 and FAITACCOMPLI. Kanguole 12:49, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
Please stop removing the ISBN that is listed in the book - this is disruptive editing as it makes it harder to confirm whether the correct source has been used. You are making articles worse. Nigel Ish ( talk) 19:06, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
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